Rental Car Damaged Prior to Pickup

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I've also had a bad experience with Hertz at SYD airport, wanting to charge a large amount of excess for very minor pre-existing 'wear and tear' damage. It's quite obvious from the way a team of people immediately start looking at the car in minute detail that they have been told to find something, anything. I am a regular Hertz customer and I have never seen this level of scrutiny at any other Hertz rental depot in the world - but it is a common experience at SYD airport.

Interestingly, an Avis rep commented to me just this weekend that Hertz staff have been told to find any damage, however minute, and charge for it. He also noted that Avis has picked up a significant number of disgruntled Hertz customers because of it!

What a perfect opportunity for me to also put the boot in to Hertz with my fellow AFF'ers.
£30 penalty for taking a bus lane in Bath. No problem. Cop that on the chin
£41 charge from Hertz for giving my name to Bath City Council............

Most recent three rents? With Avis!
Bye Hertz.
 
I was told by a "returns" guy at Bristol to always take photos of the wheels before leaving the rental depot.
They look at not only the alloys but also cuts and bruises to the tyre-wall. That is a favourite source of revenue.
 


I've also had a bad experience with Hertz at SYD airport, wanting to charge a large amount of excess for very minor pre-existing 'wear and tear' damage. It's quite obvious from the way a team of people immediately start looking at the car in minute detail that they have been told to find something, anything. I am a regular Hertz customer and I have never seen this level of scrutiny at any other Hertz rental depot in the world - but it is a common experience at SYD airport.

Interestingly, an Avis rep commented to me just this weekend that Hertz staff have been told to find any damage, however minute, and charge for it. He also noted that Avis has picked up a significant number of disgruntled Hertz customers because of it!

I'm always astounded by this attitude from entry level staff. Are they being given a kickback?... Id say not, so why do they care?
 
Must admit, I've not experienced any issues yet, but have been less stressed about damage since I've been taking out specific excess reduction insurance - via independent (ie. not car hire company) insurer- to reduce excess to zero. Not sure what would happen if had to make a claim for such damage, but T&C look OK. Certainly handy for peace of mind.
 
Must admit, I've not experienced any issues yet, but have been less stressed about damage since I've been taking out specific excess reduction insurance - via independent (ie. not car hire company) insurer- to reduce excess to zero. Not sure what would happen if had to make a claim for such damage, but T&C look OK. Certainly handy for peace of mind.

ANZ credit cards offer this as do a number of annual travel insurance policies. Need to check if it covers for both domestic (including not on a 'trip') and international
 
ANZ credit cards offer this as do a number of annual travel insurance policies. Need to check if it covers for both domestic (including not on a 'trip') and international

Yes, although you have to be wary of vaguely worded T&C and claim limits. Last time I rented a vehicle in AU, the excess was $4500, which a lot of travel insurance policies may only partially cover given limits. The policy I took (via a UK firm, for global coverage) was more than enough to cover that, and came to about $5/day (from memory), and the wording was less vague.
 
Avis in Adelaide is my pet hate for car rental this previous year. So much so twice I have walked away from the car at the exit gate when the staff refuse to note damage and headed to Hertz because they are in the next humpy.
 
I've been a Hertz Gold customer for over 20 years and never had a hint of a problem, until now. I also get good rates in Australia though the organisation I am affiliated with. I am always fastidious about the condition of a car when renting, ensuring there is no undocumented damage (as best I can in dimly lit garages). I always take photos (including the instruments) before, during and at the end of each rental, but haven't needed to refer to them, until now. I regard myself as a careful driver and have never had an accident or even a speeding ticket in any vehicle (including my own).

So, I was a little taken aback with the treatment I received when returning a rented SUV to the Sydney International Terminal early one morning last week. As usual, I had several photos of the vehicle, although a couple were less clear than I would have liked because in was pitch black in the parking garage where I picked the vehicle up.

When I pulled up at the depot, a Hertz employee pounced on me and started checking the vehicle for damage (in a dimly lit garage). While I was unloading my bags from the rear of the vehicle, the Hertz employee was studying the car’s bonnet. He then pointed out what he said was a slight dent at the front centre of the bonnet, and I said I couldn't really see anything, and in any case nothing happened to the car on my watch.

Well, nothing I could say made any difference to this fixated person, and he promptly annotated the agreement document to the fact that previously undocumented damage had been found and that I would have to pay for it. I documented my views including that I had many photos and would certainly contest any charge for damages. When I later enhanced and scrutinised all the photos, I still couldn't see any damage.

I didn't have to wait long to find that my credit card had been charged with the vehicle LDW excess. However, I thought I'd wait a day or two until Hertz formally contacted me with their decision on this "damage". A couple of days later I received a sheepish email (with a smiley face) from Hertz saying that all charges for this “damage’ had been removed. I can only conclude that the parking garage returns team were completely incompetent or running a scam or Hertz local management were pressing to achieve more "results" and higher short-term income.

In my case all it's done is to lose Hertz my business. I wonder how many others have suffered a similar fate when returning a rental car to Sydney airport.

This experience resonates closely with my most recent experience with Sydney International Hertz. As Hertz 5 star, I picked up a car (from their dimly lit garage) one morning, looked over the car closely and noted no damage beyond that shown on the (vague) condition report notes on the bottom of the rental agreement. In the sunlight later that afternoon I noted some scratches on the bonnet of the car, which showed signs of having been already cleaned over, which were not listed on the rental agreement/condition report.

Thinking nothing of this, when returning the car to Sydney International (the following day) the returns attendant immediately draws my attention to this damage to the car (bonnet scratches) and we have a heated discussion about whether it was pre-existing. Given it was his (or his colleagues) job to prepare the condition report to the same standards as they review the car on return, I questioned him as to why they hadn't noticed this when they filled out the report before renting me the car, and he continued to assert that I had caused the damage. He was determined to make me pay for this damage. As soon as I then showed him my rental agreement which had $0 excess (due to a Corporate arrangement) he immediately gave up any discussion, printed me the receipt for the pre-agreed amount and walked away.

This left a very sour taste to me, as a long term Hertz customer, both that he was both unprofessional, and also it suggests that he had been instructed to try to extricate additional money out of people returning cars. As soon as he was aware he wouldn't be able to collect any money, he lost interest in the situation. I have had other problems with Hertz at Sydney International, but this is the only one relevant to this thread.
 
I always take photos using my iPhone of the car the whole way round in its spot in the parking lot before I get in. I have never had to use them but if I ever get someone who tries something on I want some evidence.
 
Avis in Adelaide is my pet hate for car rental this previous year. So much so twice I have walked away from the car at the exit gate when the staff refuse to note damage and headed to Hertz because they are in the next humpy.
Wow ... I believe this happened but WTF!
 
Interestingly, an Avis rep commented to me just this weekend that Hertz staff have been told to find any damage, however minute, and charge for it. He also noted that Avis has picked up a significant number of disgruntled Hertz customers because of it!
Now that I'm home from overseas, I've had a chance to study my quite comprehensive photos (before, during and after) in some detail on a powerful computer and large screen, with good imaging software. It turns up absolutely no imperfections, and the crease that the returns staff noted actually is part of the vehicle's design.

I'm of a mind to send these photos to Hertz Aust and US and ask them to justify their actions. Or should I just leave it alone?
 
Interestingly, an Avis rep commented to me just this weekend that Hertz staff have been told to find any damage, however minute, and charge for it. He also noted that Avis has picked up a significant number of disgruntled Hertz customers because of it!

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Now I am not so sure I am happy that I booked a 3 week rental with Hertz this summer. Its an office in Europe I have rented from previously. But yes, I always check the car and make sure they come out and note any damages to the car before I drive it away. Next time I have a self serve pickup so I will make sure that I get both video and photos of the car before driving away.
 
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Now I am not so sure I am happy that I booked a 3 week rental with Hertz this summer. Its an office in Europe I have rented from previously. But yes, I always check the car and make sure they come out and note any damages to the car before I drive it away. Next time I have a self serve pickup so I will make sure that I get both video and photos of the car before driving away.

Ah Hertz Europe. My brother lent against his Hertz Passat and left a 'rub' mark and they tried to bill him for it rather than get out a cloth and wipe it.

Best of luck.
 
Ah Hertz Europe. My brother lent against his Hertz Passat and left a 'rub' mark and they tried to bill him for it rather than get out a cloth and wipe it.

Best of luck.

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OMG, I am in so much trouble... I have rented from the same office before though without an issue. Had problems with Avis in the same town though.
Sixt was a joke, renting out BMW (or similar) and Audis (or similar) but when I contacted the office they only had Skoda and Toyotas. Same thing, right? Hate that word, or similar. This time I have a confirmed booked car so I know what I am in for. Guess the big camera is coming out.
 
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OMG, I am in so much trouble... I have rented from the same office before though without an issue. Had problems with Avis in the same town though.
Sixt was a joke, renting out BMW (or similar) and Audis (or similar) but when I contacted the office they only had Skoda and Toyotas. Same thing, right? Hate that word, or similar. This time I have a confirmed booked car so I know what I am in for. Guess the big camera is coming out.

I had that with europcar at FRA. Booked an A4 "or similar" and ended up with a Chrysler Sebring
 
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Did you have any issues when returning the car?

Sorry, had missed this.

No, thankfully. However, I had bombarded them with photos of the damage and of the discrepancies in the reports and had my travel agent also agitate for me. I'm not sure if it was never going to be an issue or they just got sick of me!

One thing we did note is that Thrifty appears to have charged us for them paying the toll (and an admin fee) on the road between Auckland and the Bay of Islands. Except we were told that we had to pay it, we did pay it (and have receipt) and wrote on the form that we'd paid it. Of course we haven't been sent any paperwork to explain the fee, but it's all that makes sense.
 
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"Customers affected by this error will be refunded where appropriate and necessary."

The last line sucks, shouldn't Hertz just say "customers affected by this error will be refunded !

They are only refunding not being penalised so no great incentive to change
 
They are only refunding not being penalised so no great incentive to change

Quite so, they haven't changed for the better one little bit, based on my own experience. But I have just sent a formal complaint to the ACCC, so maybe some further action will occur.

I did wonder how a large multinational corporation could get away with systematically defrauding its customers, but then I thought.. what's new?
 
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