Reduced AMEX earn rates from April 2019

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  1. DavidFlynn

    DavidFlynn Member

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    American Express to 'enhance' earning rates across its credit card scheme, to take effect from April 2019 – some transactions to earn more points per se but most cardholders will accrue fewer frequent flyer points per dollar compared to today.

    AMEX’s line-up of credit cards for earning Qantas and Virgin Australia Velocity points will see a reduction of 0.25 points per $1 spent on everyday purchases. Membership Rewards Ascent Premium, Ascent and Gateway programs will adopt a flat 2:1 conversion rate for points sent across to airline frequent flyer programs

    Full details at American Express overhauls credit card frequent flyer points
     
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  2. jinks485

    jinks485 Junior Member

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    Terrible news.

    So the tl;dr is:
    - Qantas and Velocity cards: points earn rates will go down by 0.25 points per $1 except on government spend which stays the same
    - Membership Rewards points, a 33%-50% devaluation for most redemptions (airlines and Hilton will now be a 2:1 transfer)
    - Explorer card earn rate will remain at 2 ppd, government will increase to 1 ppd
    - Platinum card earn rate goes to 2.25 ppd everywhere except 1ppd with government (no more bonus categories)
    - Platinum Edge goes to 3 ppd at supermarkets and petrol stations, 2 ppd on foreign currency spend and 1 ppd elsewhere
    - Essential card goes to 1.25 ppd everywhere except 1 ppd with government.

    No change to David Jones cards.
     
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  3. Eh520

    Eh520 Junior Member

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    That's some really unattractive changes that will probably put some people off. It's a huge hit to how valuable their gateway membership rewards/Ascent/Ascent premium program is
     
  4. kpc

    kpc Senior Member

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    The sky is falling....really! Will need to completely rethink my credit card /points strategy after these changes incl ATO payments. RewardPay will be dead after these changes. It is 525pm in London now and hence why I'm awake, and 425am in the eastern Australian states....a lot of AFF members will wake up to a big shock!!
     
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  5. get me outta here

    get me outta here Senior Member

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    A balancing act now btw all those merchant sign ups and card holders rationalising their held cards.
     
  6. asterix

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    Having just added a third AMEX to my wallet I was dreading the day that this would happen, but knew that it would eventually when I noticed Flight Centre were now only charging 0.92% surcharge for AMEX compared to the 2.97% they used to charge.
     
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  7. LadyC

    LadyC Established Member

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    Not attractive at all. They are definitely making it harder to earn those points!
     
  8. kamchatsky

    kamchatsky Established Member

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    Wow .. Loss of words.

    This is almost like a funeral ....

    The prolonged Aussie exchange rate doesn't help. I thought this is gonna happen one day but still comes as a shock.
     
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  9. unfunkable

    unfunkable Active Member

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    Rip...the explorer/edge combo takes a 50% hit .

    What other programs can transfer to krisflyer besides velocity?
     
  10. opusman

    opusman Senior Member

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    Wow, just wow.

    Getting pretty hard to justify $1450 a year for the Platinum card.
     
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  11. amaroo

    amaroo Enthusiast

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    5 months notice is something .... can make plenty of hay in that time.
     
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  12. GoldCanyon340

    GoldCanyon340 Established Member

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    I've been an Amex cardholder for 25+ years including 10 years at Centurion. The 50% reduction in airline point conversion is the final nail in the coffin.
     
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  13. Cruiser Elite

    Cruiser Elite Enthusiast

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    What am I missing with following snip relating to American Express Platinum Charge Card as listed here American Express overhauls credit card frequent flyer points

    "(You’ll earn 2.25 Membership Rewards points per $1 spent, equal to 1.125 frequent flyer points per $1 spent in your airline program of choice, following a 2:1 conversion.)"
     
  14. SOPOOR

    SOPOOR Established Member

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    Wow. Dont know how anyone can see any good news out of any of this.

    For me, at first glance its the end.
    Tldr
    Virtually every point earning caed is now reduced by 25 -50%

    Transferring to various airlines is down 50%

    On face value there is now no point chasing any points any more. The only thing is the 5% wish gift for 1.5pts for groceries or sign up bonuses

    But whats also hard hitting is that now there is no point paying surcharges for gift cards

    With 50% off airline transfers what is now the best usage for points?

    Is it flights booked throguh amex travel???
     
  15. SOPOOR

    SOPOOR Established Member

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    Without doing proper number calcs to me now the amex is now what a visa and master card has always been , THE lower points earning card.

    Now that merchanta are still getting charged higher rates, i see no point in using a amex over a visa, so i probsbly will rarely use my my amex.
    I hope amex understand why
     
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  16. andye

    andye Established Member

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    I too think the AUD is the major driver for this.
    I currently have a portfolio of Amexes to maximise points earn but with the effectively reduced differences between cards I'll likely consolidate
     
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  17. albyd

    albyd Established Member

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    I had a feeling this was coming after I called Platinum line on Monday and there was an option about finding out about ‘the changes to your rewards program’. I didn’t think the cut would be 50% though. Agree with Sopoor, will be a marginal benefit to carrying an Amex now & juggling extra statements vs say Dragon Visa. That may change since they’re part of the Westpac group. And Altitude recently devalued.

    Looks like fewer pointy end flights for ‘wholesale’ price and back to Y. Sad day indeed.
     
  18. opusman

    opusman Senior Member

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    Hmm no mention of changes to the Westpac Black Amex.
     
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  19. foggy

    foggy Active Member

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    seems like the end of sitting at the pointy end..
     
  20. ms1

    ms1 Member

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    So essentially I need to transfer my points out of MR before April 15th as after this date the value of the points halves.
     
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