QF status earn on JAL

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Hi all!

Hoping you can help clarify re: earning QF points and status credits on JL domestic flights.

Thinking of booking JAL on their Japan Explorer Pass: JAL Japan Explorer Pass

On JAL's website they are booked as Economy tickets. When I entered the From and To airports, as well as select Earn Category - Economy on Qantas Points and SC Calculator, it shows that I will earn points and SC in JL domestic Economy class.

Wondering if any seasoned travellers can tell me if I'm missing something? For eg. with JQ economy fare has to be booked with plus package to earn QF points and SC, however I have not been able to find any additional requirements.

Thanks all.
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Welcome on board AFF Airlines, as its your first post.
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What you need to know is the alphabet code that the JLd is booked into.
And then refer to the QF alphabet code table, to see what type o discY that class is, or subclass that is.
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Y/H/K/M/L etc, ...
Y is full Y, and will earn the most, but will be the most expensive.
 
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JL domestic flights are only sold as Discount Economy or Economy (both coded as Y), with the option of a surcharge to upgrade to "Class J" (business) or F (first). This makes the QF earning table for Japan domestic flights a bit confusing.
 
I am not well versed in JAL bookings. But I will give it a shot with deciphering the tables from Qantas. I love cross checking tables to get my head around QF earnings.

I just randomly plugged in the airports and dates using the site you (OP) linked. You can click on Show details on the right to see the booking class.

In this case, this JAL Japan Explorer Pass Plus has a booking class of L. Another random ticket I found is in “E”.

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Now if you move on to the Qantas website:

You will see that L and E are not listed in the table as a booking class that will earn SC points or QFF points. So the tickets I found will earn me no points when crediting to QFF.

To earn points flying JAL domestics, you will need to find flights with JAL’s booking class: Y, J, or F.

Hope this helps!

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Based on JAL‘s website outlining the booking class associated with JAL Japan Explorer Pass, no tickets under this category will earn any QFF points, since none of the booking class is listed on the QFF earning table.
Source: https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/jmb/earn/travel/flight/jal.html
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Andytheturtle's example is great but opens a question. Each of the three booking classes which credit to QFF appear twice in that table. How does QFF recognise which "variant" would be used for crediting? Wouldn't JL just pass the booking class code to QFF (Mr Turtle/A, QF12345678, JL103, 2023-11-19, J)? Or what's the record being transmitted that would allow QFF to credit it correctly?
 
Andytheturtle's example is great but opens a question. Each of the three booking classes which credit to QFF appear twice in that table. How does QFF recognise which "variant" would be used for crediting? Wouldn't JL just pass the booking class code to QFF (Mr Turtle/A, QF12345678, JL103, 2023-11-19, J)? Or what's the record being transmitted that would allow QFF to credit it correctly?
I was hoping no further questions will come out of this LOL. Too many keen eyed AFF experts here haha.

I think OP’s question has been answered given none of the Explorer Pass tickets will earn QFF points.

But yes, I spent 15min navigating the JAL website to book domestic flights (which appeared separate to t he Explorer Pass site OP shared), and I struggled to find the booking class. Their website is ….not great.

Also yes, no idea how the JAL booking info is passed onto QF. QF’s table did call out different “surcharges”.
 
How does QFF recognise which "variant" would be used for crediting?
I guess the award crediting bot would for JAL coded flights, check the arrival and destination airports for each sector and if both in Japan, use the domestic part of the table.

Strait forward really.
 
it's a bit of a shambles with JL Dom flights and QF SC earnings. I think you get a clearer and simpler earn rate with GK (Jetstar Japan) with bundle than you do with JL. Qantas' table says one thing but in reality you get all sorts of weird things.

My partners HND > ITM flight in Economy class L got credited automatically but her return flight from ITM > NRT > MEL did not get credited and was denied when she claimed missing. (NRT > MEL did though). I think that last one was an S Class.
I guess the award crediting bot would for JAL coded flights, check the arrival and destination airports for each sector and if both in Japan, use the domestic part of the table.

Strait forward really.
I think what they mean is in the QF table, under domestic Japan there's multiples of "Y" , "J" and "F" with different text next to each one creditting to different rates.
 
it's a bit of a shambles with JL Dom flights and QF SC earnings. I think you get a clearer and simpler earn rate with GK (Jetstar Japan) with bundle than you do with JL. Qantas' table says one thing but in reality you get all sorts of weird things.

My partners HND > ITM flight in Economy class L got credited automatically but her return flight from ITM > NRT > MEL did not get credited and was denied when she claimed missing. (NRT > MEL did though). I think that last one was an S Class.

I think what they mean is in the QF table, under domestic Japan there's multiples of "Y" , "J" and "F" with different text next to each one creditting to different rates.
If a JAL domestic flight in L was credited, then I give up 🤷‍♂️
Anything is possible. Book, fly, and wait for the computer to surprise you 😂
 
I think what they mean is in the QF table, under domestic Japan there's multiples of "Y" , "J" and "F" with different text next to each one creditting to different rates.
Sure - there have been sub types of fare bucket availability in GDS for some time - not all Y is Y; some is Y¹, some is Y² etc.

In fact it is more likely that fares are not coded internally with a single letter, but in a manner that allows far more than 26 options with a conversion to a single letter for legacy exposure.
 
Long-time lurker, first time poster here, so please excuse my selfishness in noting down my random thoughts and ramblings here.
I seem to have developed a morbid curiosity in trying to decipher the QFF SC earn rates from JL domestic flights, so hopefully I can add some helpful (albeit mostly anecdotal) info here. I do agree with elanshin it's super confusing.

The last thread I read on this should be: Crediting JAL Domestic flights to QFF

I'll quickly note that the JAL domestic fare range changed around Apr/May 2023 - the most relevant fare type names for us would likely be Flex, Saver, Special Saver and Round Trip.

I'll also note that whilst I've looked at the JAL Japan Explorer Pass offering in the past, I've never used it and instead have booked from JAL's (Japan) main page.
Took two flights as follows (separate PNRs):

RouteFare TypeClassFare Type (from the Boarding Information Slip)Flight dateCredited date
ITM to CTSSpecial SaverEconomyQLCSIEABThu 01 JunMon 05 Jun
CTS to HNDSpecial SaverClass JXLCSIEABSun 04 JunMon 12 Jun

Both flights earnt 325 QFF Pts and 10 SCs each, so as HirafuHeartAttack already mentioned, it's not a lot.

One thing I did notice is that the JAL domestic booking system appears to be quite different interface-wise from the international booking system - and the Explorer Pass uses the international one.
The international one at least makes it clear what the fare/booking class is when you've selected the flight(s).
Based on this, I initially (stupidly) thought that the earn rate for QFF Pts and SCs would thus be based on the "All other flights" section of the QFF airline partner earn table for JAL, and as such most Explorer Pass fares would earn at the Discount Economy rate (170 pts/10 SCs). But based on HirafuHeartAttack's two flights, this assumption of mine is incorrect.
It does make me wonder why one of HirafuHeartAttack's flights earnt zilch, so I'm curious as to what the fare type from the boarding info slip and the booking class would be for those two.

So I'm thinking the QFF earn from JL domestic starts to look like this, but I could very well be wrong (I'm going to assume substituting "Saver" for any discounted fare like the Explorer Pass would still work/make sense):
JL Fare TypeJL ClassQF Booking Class CategoryQFF Earn CategoryQFF Earnt (one way, HND-CTS)
Saver*EconomyY (Discount Economy)Economy325 Pt + 10 SC
Saver*Class JJ (Discount Economy plus Premium Surcharge)Economy325 Pt + 10 SC
Saver*First ClassF (Discount Economy plus First Surcharge)Flexible Economy650 Pt + 20 SC
FlexEconomyY (Economy)Flexible Economy650 Pt + 20 SC
FlexClass JJ (Economy plus Premium Surcharge)Premium Economy715 Pt + 20 SC
FlexFirst ClassF (Economy plus First Surcharge)First975 Pt + 60 SC
Flex fares seem to be roughly double their Saver equivalents but it's probably not worth the extra cost for the extra pts + SCs.
I've got a Round-Trip Saver fare coming up soon so we'll see how that goes, but hoping at least that would earn at the Economy rate for both legs. I'll be sure to hang onto the boarding info slips.

Side note: I've also recently learnt that QFF Classic Reward redemptions for JL domestic flights can be managed via the international booking system, not the domestic one.
 
Long-time lurker, first time poster here, so please excuse my selfishness in noting down my random thoughts and ramblings here.
I seem to have developed a morbid curiosity in trying to decipher the QFF SC earn rates from JL domestic flights, so hopefully I can add some helpful (albeit mostly anecdotal) info here. I do agree with elanshin it's super confusing.
I share the same morbid curiosity as you :)
For what it's worth, let me share all the data points I have. Thanks for noting that that the boarding passes have the fare basis in the corner.

I will note that both of my non-JEP flights were flown prior to the April system change, so may not be relevant today.

Booked Fare TypeFare ClassFare Basis (on Boarding Pass)RouteQFF Credited as
Ultra SAKITOKU Advanced Purchase FareEconomy
+ Check-In Upgrade to First Class
S0AS75ZCTS-HND650 Pt + 20 SC
Flexible Economy
TOKUBIN7 TypeD Advanced Purchase FareFirst ClassA0AF7DZHND-HIJ400 Pt + 20 SC
Flexible Economy
Japan Explorer Pass Plus (E)Economy
+ Check-In Upgrade to First Class
EJEPPLUSITM-HND200 Pt + 10 SC
Economy
Japan Explorer Pass Plus (O)EconomyOJEPPLUSHND-TAK0 Pt + 0 SC
NO MATCHING RULE ELEMENT

My theory for JAL Explorer Pass is that G (JEP) and O (JEP Plus) do not earn anything, whereas E and M (both JEP Plus) do earn as "Economy".

Additionally, I reckon that for JEP fares any Check-In upgrades do not affect the earn class, whereas regular domestic fares do get credited as the upgraded class if you upgrade at Check-In.

This is basically in-line with how these flights work on JAL Mileage Bank:
  • JEP G / JEP+ O earn 30%
    • on Qantas, they earn nothing
    • My JEP+ O earned nothing
  • JEP+ E/M earn 70%
    • on Qantas, they earn as Economy
    • My JEP+ E earned Economy
  • Regular domestic fares upgraded will earn as the upgraded fare class
    • on Qantas, they work the same way
    • see my Ultra SAKITOKU -> F upgrade. Ultra SAKITOKU should be Economy as it's a saver class, but since I upgraded to First it's now Discount Econ + First Surcharge and thus credits as Flexible Econ
  • International ticketed domestic fares will not earn as the upgraded fare class
    • source, see "When Japan domestic flight sectors are upgraded by paying the appropriate fee, the number of miles earned will be based on the fare (booking class) of the originally purchased ticket, same as for the international flight sectors."
    • on Qantas, works the same (earns as originally ticketed fare class)
    • see my JEP+ E earning Economy despite an upgrade to F. If the upgraded class applied, it should've been Flexible Economy
 
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It does make me wonder why one of HirafuHeartAttack's flights earnt zilch, so I'm curious as to what the fare type from the boarding info slip and the booking class would be for those two.
It was a JAL Explorer Pass that earnt zero. The Explorer Pass plus earns at the most basic economy rate.
I actually found the tickets for both. The code on the Explorer pass is GJEP, Explorer pass plus is EJEPPLUS.

Don't get me started on the shambles that is the user interfaces of the Domestic and International sections of manage my booking on JAL... It's like an easter egg hunt trying to find what section you'll actually be able to make any changes in!Interestingly Explorer pass emails also come from the International email address.

I have 2 flights in Feb that I booked via the usual domestic website as prices were the same as Explorer Pass Plus (all that was available, and Explorer pass site doesn't like multi city bookings). WIll report back with comparisons following.
 
I haven't had any JL domestic flights for a while, however, interestingly, my most recent JL flight (QF coded SIN-HND on JJL36/QF4025) was the only flight on my last trip (of 25) which didn't post and required a manual claim.
 
I'm really wondering why I booked J for our CTS-HND flights at this stage - no extra SC and now I'm reading no lounge access! (for me - traveling with 7 people, only 2 people with status - that's gonna be ugly :( ).

Would definitely have not bothered had I realised. Urgh.
 
One thing I did notice is that the JAL domestic booking system appears to be quite different interface-wise from the international booking system - and the Explorer Pass uses the international one.
I believe this is a legacy of the fact that Japan Airlines Domestic used to be a separate company , itself a legacy of Japan Air System which merged with JAL in the early 2000's. JAL historically used the Axess GDS for domestic bookings, which is a Japan-specific platform owned by JAL, and is only recently switching to Amadeus, which I believe has been the GDS for international for some time. The international and domestic systems interlink with each other, in that domestic inventory is available on the international system if you book connecting flights there (or the Explorer Pass as you note), but it is understandable why caveats like the below exist, when you realise they are actually separate platforms as if they were still two different companies:
"When Japan domestic flight sectors are upgraded by paying the appropriate fee, the number of miles earned will be based on the fare (booking class) of the originally purchased ticket, same as for the international flight sectors."
This is because the PNR for this flight exists in the International platform.
 
I'm really wondering why I booked J for our CTS-HND flights at this stage - no extra SC and now I'm reading no lounge access! (for me - traveling with 7 people, only 2 people with status - that's gonna be ugly :( ).

Would definitely have not bothered had I realised. Urgh.
Lounge access isn't the miss you think it is. While beautiful, JAL domestic lounges are very sparse when it comes to food and drink. You're better off checking in then remaining shopping and dining areas pre-security before using the priority security for OW elites/JAL J and F passengers right before the flight departs.
 
Lounge access isn't the miss you think it is. While beautiful, JAL domestic lounges are very sparse when it comes to food and drink. You're better off checking in then remaining shopping and dining areas pre-security before using the priority security for OW elites/JAL J and F passengers right before the flight departs.
Agreed - domestic Sakura lounges (at least the impressions I got) are primarily a quiet place to get work done or relax and charge up your device(s), with some light snacks available. Especially true if it’s at a smaller airport. At least you can pour your own beer.
The domestic JAL Diamond Premier lounges have slightly nicer food options from what I can tell but that’s about it (haven’t been in one yet).
 

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