QF-EK broken promises

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The list was provided in the first post as indicative of a failure in the relationship - ie promises of 'the best of both' that were not achieved. Many are just pointing out the list is not indicative of such failure. The OP also said they would look at gains and losses. Its just a list of losses not gains.

My comprehension is fine thanks.
 
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No. They have a halal food menu to/from LHR but still provide alcohol. No need for further debate as it makes no sense to have this restriction on food.

No they have a Halal food menu to and from the Middle East.
No need for debate on that, it's factual.
The commercial reasons behind the decision have been well outlined by other posters including dfcatch.
 
We could debate this until the cows come home !! :D

The fact is menu restrictions based on destination are an unavoidable fact of business for airlines whether they (or we) agree with it or not.
To single out QF for having a Halal food menu to and from the Middle East is a total distraction from some of the other quite reasonable points that have been raised.

I think that argument/line of reasoning sums it up quite nicely.

I'd leave it at that if it wasn't for the other quotes :p

I don't think anyone's beliefs are being imposed on anyone else, rather the airlines are making a commercial decision based on where they're flying and what passengers' dietary requirements are likely to be. So yes, it seems reasonable that given there are likely to be a lot of Hindus flying to and from India, an airline might choose to serve chicken or lamb rather than beef. Or flying to the Middle East (or Israel, for that matter), they may avoid pork. Because it will keep the greatest number of their passengers happy and fed.

For or those of us without cultural reasons for avoiding particular foods, it's not even really an imposition. I can eat pig anytime (and do!) so if I get chicken on the plane, well, I just hope it's tasty!

My emphasis added.

I don't pretend to know the number of guests flying onwards to Europe/UK compared to those either stopping completely in the UAE, or briefly, however my assumption is that on QF the majority would be flying on, and as such, being the greatest number of passengers, would have likely enjoyed a full English breakfast (including bacon), as I am led to believe was previously offered on the route before arrival.

Redirect - forget cultural sensitivities....

Please explain to me why any single food item (or even food group) should be a requirement on an airline or route??

Seriously? Flip the argument right around.

I like Nutella - so why should I not be able to demand that every airline serve it as an option.

Or Coco Pops for the breakfast option, or smoked salmon, or peking duck for that matter (you do realise just how delicious peking duck is right??).

Or why we are inflicted with Neil Perry new age cough all the time - I really like the Neil Perry Old School cough - but they don't serve it.... Should I have the right to demand it - and complain when I don't get my chocolate bread and butter pudding.

To flip it around, I would say that certain destinations can be known for having a dish that is central or unique to them. It may not be served all the time - heck, the locals might not even like it - but it can be seen as being that countries culinary contribution to the world. Occasionally you see this dish, dishes or ingredient offered to passengers because of this. I would imagine Peking duck is offered into China by some airlines who think of it as the national dish? I know whenever I "Eat on Q" on my mothers flights into/out of HKG the special is always something Asian, that HKG is known for. Who'd have thought!

So I don't see why it would be too absurd for an English dish, even if it had pork or alcohol in it, to be an "Eat on Q" special dish for those that wanted it. After all, you're highlighting what the country you 're arriving into is known or famous for. ;)

Samh004 - I know you loved that pudding too mate.

It is a real travesty that they stopped offering that as an item on the menu! It was amazingly tasty!

If you get offered Chicken or Beef on your next Perth flight - are you gonna complain that there's no pork?

So - you can argue why things aren't served on a flight/airline/route - or you can accept that your favorite food items may or may not appear onboard an aircraft cabin at any particular time.

I think it's utterly ridiculous for anyone to be demanding any particular type of food to be included in the options at any time on any airline.

There's a reason generic (hot or cold) or (meat or vege) options are generally provided - so that most people get something that they are ok with.

Special meals are available for those with specific requirements.

There is no, and has never been any special provision for the airline to include your favourite items.

I would agree with you that no one should have the right to demand anything. I'd also agree that there's no special provisions that they include your favourite items. But I just think it's absurd that what was once offered is no longer offered, all because a small proportion of guests (assumption again I know) are treating the transit as a destination rather than the other way around.

All that said now, I think you just stumbled upon the next revolution to premium travel. Coming to First class soon, but perhaps Business eventually, the ability to customise what you want, demand specific things (within a budget/pay extra if outside) and get your favourite delicacies in the air! :p

*Seriously, I don't care that I can't eat bacon onboard QF1... I haven't had any since I got braces anyway!
 
I'll just leave this here: Strong language warning for the kiddies watching at home:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61g2-EVJ-mo

But I just think it's absurd that what was once offered is no longer offered,

*Seriously, I don't care that I can't eat bacon onboard QF1... I haven't had any since I got braces anyway!

I do not believe there was any guarantee to offer pork/bacon/swine on each and every flight. Therefore, I see no reason to claim something was once offered. They can't take away someone that you didn't know you were getting in the past.

BTW Meeting someone's else's belief requirements does not force their beliefs onto someone else.

Why let braces stop you?

I'll take steak and kidney pie as a British delicacy ðŸ

And mushy pies. Or how about soggy fish and chips in newspaper?

Personally I still pushing for giant tortoise. It's not a dirty animal and it has personality.
 
All that said now, I think you just stumbled upon the next revolution to premium travel. Coming to First class soon, but perhaps Business eventually, the ability to customise what you want, demand specific things (within a budget/pay extra if outside) and get your favourite delicacies in the air! :p

The next revolution is already on its way, from two different directions.
First, several airlines allow you to select from a wider menu online before the flight.
Second, Etihad and others are moving away from a meal service with trolleys and trays towards a "dine any time" approach.
This is more of a reality in First but in theory applies in business as well.
In First each pax sets their own timetable. In business there is still a default service time, but individual pax can opt out and set their own timetable.
And in First Etihad will make you anything you want with the ingredients they have on board.
The revolution would be to combine the two and let you order custom meals online before you fly, with ingredients loaded just for you!

To address the bacon controversy, when they have a limited number of meals onboard it makes perfect sense not to select an ingredient which a large number of passengers won't be able to eat.
I'm just glad they still serve alcohol. On the other hand, I wish you could select a "no seafood" option.
 
The next revolution is already on its way, from two different directions.
First, several airlines allow you to select from a wider menu online before the flight.
Second, Etihad and others are moving away from a meal service with trolleys and trays towards a "dine any time" approach.
This is more of a reality in First but in theory applies in business as well.
In First each pax sets their own timetable. In business there is still a default service time, but individual pax can opt out and set their own timetable.
And in First Etihad will make you anything you want with the ingredients they have on board.
The revolution would be to combine the two and let you order custom meals online before you fly, with ingredients loaded just for you!

I know about those offerings, and while flexible, I'm suggesting taking it to the extreme. Provided it can be reheated easily onboard, what's wrong with choosing what ingredients they use/load instead of simply choosing from what they offer.

Two different circumstances.

To address the bacon controversy, when they have a limited number of meals onboard it makes perfect sense not to select an ingredient which a large number of passengers won't be able to eat.
I'm just glad they still serve alcohol. On the other hand, I wish you could select a "no seafood" option.

This is probably my argument. I would like to see figures that show it is in fact a large proportion on those flights that can't eat pork, as I don't think that's true.
 
I know about those offerings, and while flexible, I'm suggesting taking it to the extreme. Provided it can be reheated easily onboard, what's wrong with choosing what ingredients they use/load instead of simply choosing from what they offer.

Two different circumstances.

Hence my final sentence in that paragraph.
 
I know about those offerings, and while flexible, I'm suggesting taking it to the extreme. Provided it can be reheated easily onboard, what's wrong with choosing what ingredients they use/load instead of simply choosing from what they offer.

Two different circumstances.



This is probably my argument. I would like to see figures that show it is in fact a large proportion on those flights that can't eat pork, as I don't think that's true.

Id doubt the caterers in DXB supply pork so i dont think its even an option.
 
Which is why I couldnt eat it! I had them as pets!

I'm almost 10000% certain you never had a giant tortoise as a pet. Getting the import permit would be the first barrier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_tortoise

Giant tortoises are characteristic reptiles that are found on two groups of tropical islands: the Aldabra Atoll in Seychellesand the Galapagos Islands in Ecuador (a population at the Mascarene Islands was exterminated by the 1900s) . These tortoises can weigh as much as 417 kg (919 lb) and can grow to be 1.3 m (4 ft 3 in) long.
 
I'm almost 10000% certain you never had a giant tortoise as a pet. Getting the import permit would be the first barrier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_tortoise

Giant tortoises are characteristic reptiles that are found on two groups of tropical islands: the Aldabra Atoll in Seychellesand the Galapagos Islands in Ecuador (a population at the Mascarene Islands was exterminated by the 1900s) . These tortoises can weigh as much as 417 kg (919 lb) and can grow to be 1.3 m (4 ft 3 in) long.
Despite the mathematical exaggeration, what about if you brought it back in a nice beurre blanc sauce?
 
If you get offered Chicken or Beef on your next Perth flight - are you gonna complain that there's no pork?
Some might be complaining if chicken or beef were the choices on every flight. No? Variety
 
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For whatever reason, and you all pretty much seem to know the reason, there just is not all that much pork in Dubai. And I do not think Emirates is too worried about losing the pork/bacon maniac crowd, they have perhaps called in the quants and actuaries and concluded thus.

Apart from just the availability issue, pork in the vicinity of other food is just more of an issue to Muslims than alcohol in the vicinity of anything.
 
Those people nit-picking the list in the OP as "not a broken promise" are missing the point. The OP never claimed that every item on the list was a specific promise that had been broken.

Have a look at the headline she put on the thread.
 
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