QF Changes to Domestic Fare Buckets

[woodborer]

Depending on the answers to these questions knowing the fare class before booking becomes even more important. What's the bet Qantas still fail to publish that information before people pay?

The updated earnings table further down the T&Cs shows that the change in L and V is only related to domestic fares. L + V remains as is for international fares.

 

[wandering_fred]

Wandering around domestic fares, my guess is some analyst figured out that QF was handing out too many SC for those AFF members taking flights while on a LONEx :shock:.

So those fare classes become discount economy...

By the way, while I was looking at some CX fares including HKG-xx_-AKL segments, a number of transTasman legs on QF were offered. Ranging in V L M and K classes depending on the CX fare class of the earlier segments. Status credits and cheap(er) upgrades?

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[amaroo]

Not happy with the L & V fare bucket change at all. Will be interesting when the changes happen & will make a lot of different to SC earn for a lot of people.

So they offer heaps & heaps of people double SC's, realise they have too many high status pax & now try find ways to reduce SC earn!

You can add F/JASA to that list!

 

[Awesom Andy]

Wandering around domestic fares, my guess is some analyst figured out that QF was handing out too many SC for those AFF members taking flights while on a LONEx :shock:.

I guess that's just about the only situation it would make a difference, and perhaps if there's an interline ticket booked from another airline which, eg, book everything into V or L class together with the other legs on different airline codes/metals. The actual costs of flexi tickets are staying the same, so it may benefit pax with FF programs with other airlines as the base earning classes may become cheaper to obtain.

 

[JohnK]

You can add F/JASA to that list!

We must be getting close to SC earning at old rates. March 27/28?

 

[amaroo]

We must be getting close to SC earning at old rates. March 27/28?

Not sure about that?

The MASA legacy is with us for some time. We've got a few FASA over the next few months that will deliver WP x 2 until early 2017 ... without the need to buy anther revenue ticket The great SC cleansing won't be complete until July 2017.

 

[wandering_fred]

We must be getting close to SC earning at old rates. March 27/28?

Call me sceptical, but 2027/28 would be about right. :shock:

Coincidentally, as of 01 Feb 15, AA has reduced K class earn from 1.0 x base miles to 0.5 x base miles. K class exJapan was fairly easy to find.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[JohnK]

Coincidentally, as of 01 Feb 15, AA has reduced K class earn from 1.0 x base miles to 0.5 x base miles. K class exJapan was fairly easy to find.

All airlines go through enhancements to the earning rates.

 

[YSSY]

Our corporate TA books us flexi tickets in the L bucket 95% of the time and M bucket the rest of the time. Wondering whether the L is still a type of flexi ticket with lower earning rate so we'll get shafted on earning or if we'll book into M from now one. I would never retain Gold on the new L earning rates but more then easily do it at the current rate.

 

[mrpooky]

I'm guessing I've just hit the new changes.

Looking at booking 'Flexi Saver' tickets on QF767 on Mon 6th April and QF652 on Friday 10th April.

After selecting the tickets and moving to the confirmation page, I see the following:

Qantas Points and Status Credits	Qantas Points	Status Credits
Platinum Qantas Frequent Flyers could earn Qantas Points and Status Credits for this booking. Terms and conditions apply. Find out how you could earn more Qantas Points and Status Credits.	5,800	40

But on the previous page, clicking on 'Flexi Saver' brings up the fare type popup window, which says the following:

"This fare is classed as Flexible Economy for the purposes of calculating how many Qantas Points and Status credits you earn, or how many Qantas Points you need to redeem a Flight Upgrade Award."

... and the calculator says BNE -> PER is 40 SC each way in Flexible economy.

So, which is it, 40 SC or 80? Given the changes mentioned in this thread, I'm guessing it's 40, which makes it the same as the Red E-deal tickets that cost only a touch more than half as much.

Red Roo, any chance you can confirm which part of the website is broken?

Grrrrrrr.

mrpooky.

 

[danny09]

Grrrr yep, something is very broken (I HOPE) same here when I pick flexi on my normal flights in late feb only get 50 sc's return instead of 100!

 

[kevrosmith]

Yes, there certainly is a conflict between the information available for us at the moment. Using my example back in Post 8 (http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-domestic-fare-buckets-65484.html#post1180761), when I select the Flexi Saver fare (currently should earn 20 SCs), the next page shows that this fare will only earn 10 SCs. For $325 compared to $145 for a Red e-Deal you'd want to be earning more than 10 SCs.

Fingers crossed this is just the confusion/complexity between cross-over periods, otherwise the information reported by AustBT (which I assume is provided by Qantas) is incorrect: "While fares will remain 'dynamically priced' in line with demand, the actual price you'll fork out for a flexible economy ticket won't change as a result of this consolidation". I read this to mean, in my example, that the $325 fare, regardless which Fare bucket it ends up being, will still earn 20 SCs.

Some clarification from Red Roo on this would be gratefully appreciated.

 

[wandering_fred]

Coming back from the NZ Do, it would seem likely that I will have a CX-issued V class segment AKL-SYD on QF, then continuing to HKG on CX.

Anyone care to speculate how many SC will be earned if I credit that flight to QF? Or can someone point me to a site where the information is decipherable?

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[fifo]

Not happy with the L & V fare bucket change at all. Will be interesting when the changes happen & will make a lot of different to SC earn for a lot of people.

So they offer heaps & heaps of people double SC's, realise they have too many high status pax & now try find ways to reduce SC earn!

Agreed. This will ruin my earn, I usually fly on a v fare syd/per. Will loose half the status credits. Oh and cost twice as much to upgrade. grrrr.

 

[woodborer]

Anyone care to speculate how many SC will be earned if I credit that flight to QF? Or can someone point me to a site where the information is decipherable?

There has been no change to V earning in international as far as this announcement goes. So, from what I can see, on an international flight, V is classed as Economy, and for East Coast to New Zealand this gives 25SC.

 

[amaroo]

Another small tweak to eliminate easy SC ... these QFF people are cunning!

This post http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ore-simpler-and-fairer-65637.html#post1184067 has an interview with the guy that started FT - he advocates people should spend more to secure SC/elite miles/LT status. Guess the airlines understand the theory and will manipulate their schemes to suit.

 

[Awesom Andy]

There has been no change to V earning in international as far as this announcement goes. So, from what I can see, on an international flight, V is classed as Economy, and for East Coast to New Zealand this gives 25SC.

Although if you have any V/L class domestic fares as part of an international fare, you don't really have any options but to give up the earns.

 

[fifo]

Another small tweak to eliminate easy SC ... these QFF people are cunning!

This post http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ore-simpler-and-fairer-65637.html#post1184067 has an interview with the guy that started FT - he advocates people should spend more to secure SC/elite miles/LT status. Guess the airlines understand the theory and will manipulate their schemes to suit.

that video is terrible. the guys a sycophant. 23 million miles and cant wait to not use them? whats the point then?

 

[amaroo]

that video is terrible. the guys a sycophant. 23 million miles and cant wait to not use them? whats the point then?

Maybe he's got more $'s than points...lol

 

[polardabar]

I'll never move away from Silver. :-|