Qantas treats Perth like dirt

[swilk]

Are you suggesting QF should service all cities o/s they fly to from all Australian cities?

I don't believe that is the OP's suggestion. But tell me, those of you from SYD or MEL, how you would feel about having to fly via PER to go to NZ, South America etc?

 

[farstar]

Are you for real. If I fly to Europe via Perth it is valid but your post seems pointless.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I don't believe that is the OP's suggestion. But tell me, those of you from SYD or MEL, how you would feel about having to fly via PER to go to NZ, South America etc?

If i hated my cities world connectivity so much i would leave and live somewhere that suited me better.

 

[Franky]

I don't believe that is the OP's suggestion. But tell me, those of you from SYD or MEL, how you would feel about having to fly via PER to go to NZ, South America etc?

Well put...

 

[dajop]

I don't believe that is the OP's suggestion. But tell me, those of you from SYD or MEL, how you would feel about having to fly via PER to go to NZ, South America etc?

It's not unheard of I am sure some in the AFF world choose to fly to South America via Europe, Dubai or Abu Dhabi from MEL or SYD.

 

[swilk]

Are you for real. If I fly to Europe via Perth it is valid but your post seems pointless.

Perhaps you missed my point.

If I want to fly Qantas to South Africa from Perth (this is a QF forum) then I first have to backtrack to SYD or MEL. I was merely asking how a MEL or SYD resident would feel if Qantas did not fly direct to NZ our SA for example, but made you backtrack and fly to Perth first.

For those of us living in PER that is what we face with QF.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

It's not unheard of I am sure some in the AFF world choose to fly to South America via Europe, Dubai or Abu Dhabi from MEL or SYD.

The key words being "some would CHOOSE to".

 

[davidj]

For those of us living in PER that is what we face with QF.

There is another operator that flys directly to South Africa, use that operator. Using your analogy, for example, a Krisflyer member chooses to fly Perth to Singapore to South Africa, just to fly SQ. Nothing is stopping you, but no point complaining SQ doesn't fly direct. The majority of passengers will fly an alternative route.

Choosing to fly Qantas is your choice. If people just chose to fly Qantas metal internationally they wouldn't be getting around much would they?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

There is another operator that flys directly to South Africa, use that operator. Using your analogy, for example, a Krisflyer member chooses to fly Perth to Singapore to South Africa, just to fly SQ. Nothing is stopping you, but no point complaining SQ doesn't fly direct. The majority of passengers will fly an alternative route.

Choosing to fly Qantas is your choice. If people just chose to fly Qantas metal internationally they wouldn't be getting around much would they?

Well let's disband this whole site and instead of voicing any opinions on any airline we will all just choose a different one.

 

[davidj]

airline we will all just choose a different one.

I know that was tongue in cheek but seriously that has happened before so not totally out of the question.

 

[RichardMEL]

Perhaps you missed my point.

If I want to fly Qantas to South Africa from Perth (this is a QF forum) then I first have to backtrack to SYD or MEL. I was merely asking how a MEL or SYD resident would feel if Qantas did not fly direct to NZ our SA for example, but made you backtrack and fly to Perth first.

For those of us living in PER that is what we face with QF.

It's not my route at all but I do recall QF *used* to code on the SA flight (and SA coded on QF's SYD flight) which was a great partnership. I think post SA joining Star Alliance (but it was some years later IIRC) that codeshare agreement was disolved (I am not certain if it was SA or QF who instigated this)

Here's my question to you. Let's say QF offered up a codeshare on CX to JNB via HKG (I'm assuming CX fly to JNB I have no idea) or perhaps offered up a 1 stop codeshare on another carrier (UL?) would you take that so you would be flying "Qantas" ?

Clearly the SA partnership was ideal as each served the other's country from their main hub and offered a codeshare on the other flight. Now that's gone.

If it's a bilateral issue that's another thing.

from the passenger point of view this sucks - at least the pax who wants to be loyal to QF (or even the 1 or 2 SA loyalists on the east coast!) but you also have a choice to fly on the SA flight direct and QF loses your revenue for their commercial decision (or the reality of that codeshare breaking up)

 

[wandering_fred]

It's not my route at all but I do recall QF *used* to code on the SA flight (and SA coded on QF's SYD flight) which was a great partnership. I think post SA joining Star Alliance (but it was some years later IIRC) that codeshare agreement was disolved (I am not certain if it was SA or QF who instigated this)

Here's my question to you. Let's say QF offered up a codeshare on CX to JNB via HKG (I'm assuming CX fly to JNB I have no idea) or perhaps offered up a 1 stop codeshare on another carrier (UL?) would you take that so you would be flying "Qantas" ?

Clearly the SA partnership was ideal as each served the other's country from their main hub and offered a codeshare on the other flight. Now that's gone.

If it's a bilateral issue that's another thing.

from the passenger point of view this sucks - at least the pax who wants to be loyal to QF (or even the 1 or 2 SA loyalists on the east coast!) but you also have a choice to fly on the SA flight direct and QF loses your revenue for their commercial decision (or the reality of that codeshare breaking up)

During 2014, the agreement between SAA and QF was going to have to be renewed along with regulators approval. The latter seemed to be an issue. Coupled with the QF/EK agreement, the two airlines settled on each having the one route from Australia to South Africa.

From JNB, there options to get to PER aren't all that great if you wish to remain with OneWorld alliance flights. I do note that exJNB earning QFF SCs is roughly the same in PEY for CX and QF, though the $$ cost is somewhat less with CX. Though QF will sometimes offer business seats (and SCs) on the domestic QF flights which make the route more attractive to those QFF flyers needing SCs. Note: not normally seen ex-Australia.

Do we have any AFFer's who hold QF shares? I'd love to hear the answer to the following question - What are the restrictions contained in the agreement with EK concerning QF metal flights between PER and DXB?

Alas the chances of getting an answer are about as good as UL starting flights CMB-PER-MEL...

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[JohnK]

I don't believe that is the OP's suggestion. But tell me, those of you from SYD or MEL, how you would feel about having to fly via PER to go to NZ, South America etc?

I wouldn't mind as long as it cost the same as the direct. But that's not the point.

QF cannot fly to every international destination from every Australian city. That's reality.

SYD-PER-JNB makes perfect sense but QF is very reluctant to try it.

PER-SIN and even ADL-SIN also make perfect sense for Asian and European destinations but QF has decided to fly via DXB instead.

 

[dajop]

PER-SIN and even ADL-SIN also make perfect sense for Asian and European destinations but QF has decided to fly via DXB instead.

I wouldn't say this. I think what they've decided is to cede some of these markets (PER-Europe, ADL-Sin/Asia) to other carriers who provide very good service to both cities, with which QF can't profitably compete, despite having a loyal following due to both QFF and being the notional national carrier.

PER is special because of its relative isolation from other airlines hubs and natural resource wealth.

But given you brought up ADL - for it's size ADL is well served internationally, just not by QF, which is probably why QF has no hope to compete.

If you compare ADL, for example STL in the US - ADL & STL are both in relative economic stagnation, not huge international tourist destinations (SA wineries not withstanding) and both only an hour or so's flight from major hubs. STL serves a population of approx 2x ADL and has an metropolitan area economy about twice the size of SA's economy, but only supports "international" services to Toronto and charters to Cancun. By contrast, ADL has 6 - soon to be 7 - intercontinental destinations (in ME and Asia) and of course AKL.

 

[Franky]

'PER is special because of its relative isolation from other airlines hubs and natural resource wealth.'
So are you saying that if we didnt have any natual resource wealth, we wouldnt have any overseas flights?..

 

[cove]

The upgrade fairy can be wonderful.

 

[wandering_fred]

I wouldn't mind as long as it cost the same as the direct. But that's not the point.
QF cannot fly to every international destination from every Australian city. That's reality.
SYD-PER-JNB makes perfect sense but QF is very reluctant to try it.
PER-SIN and even ADL-SIN also make perfect sense for Asian and European destinations but QF has decided to fly via DXB instead.

But QF has decided to have EK fly via DXB instead.

Happy wandering except from PER...

Fred

 

[moa999]

To be honest after the ACCC dumped the QF/SA arrangement I'm surprised they didn't stop a couple of flights a week SYD-PER-JNB, but then that might prompt a reaction, and I suspect QF prefer the SYD monopoly

 

[dajop]

'PER is special because of its relative isolation from other airlines hubs and natural resource wealth.'
So are you saying that if we didnt have any natual resource wealth, we wouldnt have any overseas flights?..

No, probably the relative isolation from major hubs (4 hrs to SYD, 5+hrs to SIN) is the more important factor, but the natural resources I am sure help. If you were without both then you'd probably have the international network (and perhaps the population) of Newcastle - and that's NTL, not NCL

 

[RichardMEL]

'PER is special because of its relative isolation from other airlines hubs and natural resource wealth.'
So are you saying that if we didnt have any natual resource wealth, we wouldnt have any overseas flights?..

I think you'd find it would be far less served. Some factor of capacity into PER (domestic) is due to FIFO - though contracting in recent times but still a fair amount of traffic.

I'd imagine without the huge resources/weath factor PER would still get traffic for tourism, but airlines like SQ would probably downgrade equipment or schedule to match lower demand. Would you see 2 or 3 EK flight a day? doubt it 1 like ADL probably.

as an isolated market PER is pretty small for VFR or tourism traffic in the main. At least I'd imagine it to be. Obviously still get domestic business traffic (I mean reason for travel, not class/fares) but it would still be far less if you're not feeding to/from the extensive network to regional mining sites up north.

my 2 cents anyway