Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[justinbrett]

When I said "lots of flights" I mean lots of flights from within the US that could connect to daytime westbound departures, so it's not as if there's no feed to mid-late morning departures. Certainly easy from the midwest and Texas (as well as the west coast and rockies). There are even east coast flights that reach LAX and SFO before 10am . (eg. MIA, IAD, PHL, JFK).

But you're right about the arriving for new work day thing, which certainly is the predominant paradigm (which is exactly what I'm suggesting, as to why Sunrise 5am arrival will work). Personally though in my peer circle I'm noticing a transition to day time type flights that allow you to reach a hotel and be in better condition for the day ahead, especially as internet connectivity onboard aircraft improves and allows a full days work in the sky.

That's not the point though, LAX/SFO are the primary ports for Australian flights, if you can't do a same day connection in CA you don't have many other options.

The late evening departure, and early morning arrival, means you can practically connect to/from anywhere in the US same day.

"Lots" isn't good enough, we're looking for "all", or at least "most". It's not the trunk routes that matter - it's all those once a day American Eagle connections that need to be considered.

 

[leesionn]

3rd(?) A35K (MSN 846) was spotted June 10 with Qantas tail colours per this website

 

[mviy]

Evening arrivals could work for Sunrise if there are multiple arrivals for the same city pair or QF actually does MEL flights so domestic connections are less necessary. Though having to take a short domestic flight to connect to a Sunrise flight defeats the purpose of paying a premium for direct non-stop in the first place.

 

[Quickstatus]

it's all those once a day American Eagle connections that need to be considered.

Waiting for QF to fly seasonal non stop to SLC/DEN/MIA

 

[RooFlyer]

True. But then why oh why PS?

If you’re flying to Europe it’s a downgrade from a350 to Eurobusiness. When you could be flying non-stop from Hong Kong or Tokyo to your final destination.

Which brings us back to the situation that PS is ideal for a relatively limited number of people, plus QF diehards. If you want to arrive in London at sparrows (or will fly Qantas no matter what) - great! Anywhere else, stopover in Asia or ME and then fly on direct to your final destination, be it Birmingham or Brussels. You'll could be there quicker than via a PS flight and fly on Euro J to final destination.

But then, I'm def not the target market for PS, doing as I do, going to Europe in a stately fashion - a stop overnight in Asia, then a stop overnight in ME/Istanbul (or maybe several nights with QR's v cheap stopover Doha deal) and then onwards. All part of the holiday and all daytime flights with jetlag mostly solved by the time I reach Europe. Coming back often only one stop, as I care less how I feel on return.

 

[Quickstatus]

Can't go wrong either with a certain SQ 2 sector SYD-LHR and return where the ground time in SIN is only 50 minutes.
IIRC it is only 23hrs there and 21 hrs back (roughly)

But these days I prefer a stopover.

 

[dajop]

"Lots" isn't good enough, we're looking for "all", or at least "most". It's not the trunk routes that matter - it's all those once a day American Eagle connections that need to be considered.

I'm not necessarily talking about QF, just in general. There are plenty of morning American Eagle connections at LAX as well, probably 60% do have morning arrivals, also DFW is probably the main hub for Eagle->QF connections.

The airlines seem to make it work for Asia connections, but I guess there's probably more diaspora for point to point traffic or west coast - Asia hub - onwards traffic.

Anyway, I still think the over-riding factor is market preference for the early arrival time for hitting the ground running more than anything else, and in the context of Sunrise, SYD-LHR will flourish or die on the back of point to point traffic.

 

[justinbrett]

I'm not necessarily talking about QF, just in general. There are plenty of morning American Eagle connections at LAX as well, probably 60% do have morning arrivals, also DFW is probably the main hub for Eagle->QF connections.

The airlines seem to make it work for Asia connections, but I guess there's probably more diaspora for point to point traffic or west coast - Asia hub - onwards traffic.

Anyway, I still think the over-riding factor is market preference for the early arrival time for hitting the ground running more than anything else, and in the context of Sunrise, SYD-LHR will flourish or die on the back of point to point traffic.

I think you're being very selective.

The first AA arrival from LAS into LAX is 1124.