Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

[Mac502]

It’s 32-34 according to what I read (only 30% will have 32).

Even still, is 21 hours in 32 any worse than 9 + 14 hours in same?

Yes, definitely.

 

[Rich]

Yes, definitely.

This is the interesting thing to me. Qantas, who I am sure have done their research, expect to charge a premium for a direct flight. But as a seasoned Y traveller, I'd want a discount.

 

[elanshin]

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This is the interesting thing to me. Qantas, who I am sure have done their research, expect to charge a premium for a direct flight. But as a seasoned Y traveller, I'd want a discount.

Its completely possible Y isn't any more expensive. Ultimately the flight's financial success will mostly be made up at the front of the plane.

 

[AuSammy]

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Its completely possible Y isn't any more expensive. Ultimately the flight's financial success will mostly be made up at the front of the plane.

A lot of posts on AFF talk about an additional 20% above any current fares.

My reading of the CEOs most recent statement is that PS fares will be in line with what is already charged for a non stop LHR ticket ie PER-LHR.

 

[SYD]

This is the interesting thing to me. Qantas, who I am sure have done their research, expect to charge a premium for a direct flight. But as a seasoned Y traveller, I'd want a discount.

There’ll be CRs.

Win-Win. QF reduce their points balance obligation and some members dodge toasters.

 

[transpactraveller]

This is the interesting thing to me. Qantas, who I am sure have done their research, expect to charge a premium for a direct flight. But as a seasoned Y traveller, I'd want a discount.

Absolutely, the appeal will be to those flying in the premium cabins with a lie-flat bed to sleep half the flight and not be woken in the middle of it for a stopover.

For those flying down the back, 21 hours upright in an economy seat? Not worth a 20% premium over a 23 hour trip (including an hour stopover somewhere like Singapore or Dubai). The trip's not even 10% faster.

 

[elanshin]

Absolutely, the appeal will be to those flying in the premium cabins with a lie-flat bed to sleep half the flight.

For those flying down the back, 21 hours upright in an economy seat? Not worth a 20% premium over a 23 hour trip (including an hour stopover somewhere like Singapore or Dubai). The trip's not even 10% faster.

There is argument on say JFK - SYD. If you consider when QF4 currently lands into AKL (~4am local or 2am AEST). This is exactly when you'd want to try to get some sleep to adjust your jetlag a bit.

 

[transpactraveller]

I agree on that, coming back from NY I'd always prefer to go via DFW or LAX because the timing of the QF4 AKL stopover is brutal for jetlag - waking you for landing around 2am Sydney time.

That timing is far more important to me than a slightly shorter flight time. So what if the flight saves an hour travel time (and an annoying US terminal transfer) if you'll be a zombie for an extra day after getting back.

 

[flightsonpoints]

How to think, not feel about Qantas's Project Sunrise

Project Sunrise, the much vaunted strategy by Qantas to fly non-stop from the eastern seaboard of Australian to London and New York finally looks like coming to fruition in 2027.

www.analyticflying.com

Interesting read re Project Sunrise and A350-1000

 

[SYD]

There is argument on say JFK - SYD. If you consider when QF4 currently lands into AKL (~4am local or 2am AEST). This is exactly when you'd want to try to get some sleep to adjust your jetlag a bit.

Yep. We’re looking to book SYD-JFK (return) for later next year and was kinda hoping the return was subbed for a PS flight.

I guess we’ll ponder how to get a PS flight to LHR some time later.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes, definitely.

I disagree. I’d rather one and done. 9 hours can be surprisingly long when that’s all you’ve planned for the first leg - and then you’ve got an even longer second leg awaiting.

I find you generally come to terms with the flight you are boarding, which is why a 4 hour can seem long. If you’ve settled in and accepted your fate for a 14 hour flight, adding the 7 hours, but eliminating the second flight and the transit is not such a bad thing.

 

[TeaKozy]

I reckon the Arctic route SYD-LHR could see a double sunset and a double sunrise before landing depending on the time of the year.

Given how zealous the crew are with locking the windows on the Dreamliner you’ll be lucky to see one…

 

[transpactraveller]

I understand that Qantas has 6 slots in Heathrow at the moment.

They have 4 slot pairs, although 2 are currently leased to BA

3 early morning landings (1 currently leased to BA) and 1 early afternoon landing (leased to BA).
1 midday departure and 3 late evening departures (2 leased to BA).

BA obviously have a lot of slots at LHR, so Qantas might be able to get them to swap for the times they need.