I would have to agree. It's a simple matter of doing the sums. DSC's are not going to help someone leap from WP to P1, unless they are well on the way already. The gap is too big. The next step down is a totally different matter. 600 SC's to retain SG, 1400 to attain WP? Depending on the predictability of future travel, not such a difficult gulf to cross with the help of DSC's and perhaps a status run.I don't think CL membership should be discussed in conjunction with frequent flyer status levels - it is entirely a different area of QF strategy.
As for DSC and attaining P1, I think we need to really consider what it costs QF extra to have a member at P1 rather than just WP. (I don't think any P1 would fail to attain WP without DSC).
WP's have the same access to lounges, same luggage, etc etc. Apart from the yearly bottle of champas, is there any other true and direct extra cost to QF?
I have long held the belief that the principal service that P1 gets you is the SST - and if you are not travelling enough to gain P1 without DSC, then you are also probably not much of a burden on the SST.
It is a massive leap in qualifying SC to get from WP to P1. Especially due to the earn-on-QF requirement. I suspect the masses of people who make the big jump from SG to WP based on DSC offers and status runs on other airlines are a far bigger concern for QF. And even those capers are not worrying them - hence they remain available.
I would have to agree. It's a simple matter of doing the sums. DSC's are not going to help someone leap from WP to P1, unless they are well on the way already. The gap is too big. The next step down is a totally different matter. 600 SC's to retain SG, 1400 to attain WP? Depending on the predictability of future travel, not such a difficult gulf to cross with the help of DSC's and perhaps a status run.
I would say that, compared with the SG/WP leap, your position would be unusual and represents some quite adroit use of DSC's. Depending how they were earned, 2000 SC's is still a lot of flying. If it were mainly domestic, you'd have to be defined as a solid Qantas customer.Don't be so sure.
I'm looking at a situation where I could make P1 yet, ironically, only barely making 2000 QF/JQ SC's (ie the 4th loyalty bonus) .....
, 2000 SC's is still a lot of flying
I would say that, compared with the SG/WP leap, your position would be unusual and represents some quite adroit use of DSC's. Depending how they were earned, 2000 SC's is still a lot of flying. If it were mainly domestic, you'd have to be defined as a solid Qantas customer.
Hi all, just wanting to share today's experience that is, on the balance, quite negative.
Three months ago I booked flights for my family from BNE to CBR. In business. This is to accompany my eldest child in her move to Canberra to go to uni. I wanted to make the trip the best possible, hence the excess of a domestic leg in J I secured all of row 1 - perfect for a party of 4, and an excellent special "surprise" or whatever for my family to make this trip the best. I had checked that seat selection had stuck, many many times. Right through to online checkin.
But after an hour in the J lounge, enjoying, there were no calls, but the screens showed everything perfect, so we went down to the gate. Upon getting there I saw that no physical aircraft was present, and noticed people starting to gather at the gate desk. I joined the queue, and sure enough discovered that the flight had been cancelled. No reason ever given. But they had boarding passes ready for everyone on the next flight.
In the realms of travel this was not as bad as it could have been - effectively meant we got swapped to a flight an hour or two later. But this still buggerred many plans. We lost our row 1. We got split up between all three J rows. My youngest was placed by herself, something she was very unkeen on. As I boarded I said to the staff that I wanted at least my daughters together. They were not, at that point, exactly "helpful".
One daughter was in 1F, window seat in the front row. The other was in 2F. So when Mr 2D boarded I asked him if he would mind swapping and change to 1F. He agreed, but wanted for staff to allow this. As the flight closed the CSM (cabin manager as they seem to refer to themselves) eventually came back and approached Mr 2D and the swap was agreed to.
During the rest of the flight the CSM was extremely nice to us. Very different to the initial feeling. She even addressed me by first name constantly, which is a request I had put into the P1 team some years ago. Maybe they do actually keep that info, if someone bothers to read it
All in all, it was a win/fail experience. My original flight was cancelled, our seat selections disappeared, and my family was split up. And not a word, not an email/call/message form the SST. For the record, I am P1, my wife WP, my eldest WP also, and the youngest Bronze.
I cannot help but perceive the flight cancellation as simply a planned economic manouvre to blend two under-full flights.
No intervention or communication from the SST.
Hi all, just wanting to share today's experience that is, on the balance, quite negative.
Three months ago I booked flights for my family from BNE to CBR. In business. This is to accompany my eldest child in her move to Canberra to go to uni. I wanted to make the trip the best possible, hence the excess of a domestic leg in J I secured all of row 1 - perfect for a party of 4, and an excellent special "surprise" or whatever for my family to make this trip the best. I had checked that seat selection had stuck, many many times. Right through to online checkin.
But after an hour in the J lounge, enjoying, there were no calls, but the screens showed everything perfect, so we went down to the gate. Upon getting there I saw that no physical aircraft was present, and noticed people starting to gather at the gate desk. I joined the queue, and sure enough discovered that the flight had been cancelled. No reason ever given. But they had boarding passes ready for everyone on the next flight.
In the realms of travel this was not as bad as it could have been - effectively meant we got swapped to a flight an hour or two later. But this still buggerred many plans. We lost our row 1. We got split up between all three J rows. My youngest was placed by herself, something she was very unkeen on. As I boarded I said to the staff that I wanted at least my daughters together. They were not, at that point, exactly "helpful".
One daughter was in 1F, window seat in the front row. The other was in 2F. So when Mr 2D boarded I asked him if he would mind swapping and change to 1F. He agreed, but wanted for staff to allow this. As the flight closed the CSM (cabin manager as they seem to refer to themselves) eventually came back and approached Mr 2D and the swap was agreed to.
During the rest of the flight the CSM was extremely nice to us. Very different to the initial feeling. She even addressed me by first name constantly, which is a request I had put into the P1 team some years ago. Maybe they do actually keep that info, if someone bothers to read it
All in all, it was a win/fail experience. My original flight was cancelled, our seat selections disappeared, and my family was split up. And not a word, not an email/call/message form the SST. For the record, I am P1, my wife WP, my eldest WP also, and the youngest Bronze.
I cannot help but perceive the flight cancellation as simply a planned economic manouvre to blend two under-full flights.
No intervention or communication from the SST.
Hi all, just wanting to share today's experience that is, on the balance, quite negative.
Three months ago I booked flights for my family from BNE to CBR. In business..........<snip>
I cannot help but perceive the flight cancellation as simply a planned economic manouvre to blend two under-full flights.
No intervention or communication from the SST.
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From an IT perspective - assuming the same aircraft type was used on your new flight; why couldn't the seat map be replicated on the new flight? Or, was it, and then folks asked to be moved and you were shifted around? Splitting up a family is a big red no-no IMO.
And lucky that replacement flights to/from CBR even have a J cabin at all.
Many failures. I'm not surprised at the lack of SST intervention. But lack of announcement in the lounge and making everyone go to the gate and back (presumably) is quite pathetic.
I've been on all Y 717s out of CBR many times.All the flights bar the dash 8’s (which are usually the first to be cancelled anyway) have a J cabin
I've been on all Y 717s out of CBR many times.
I've had them to or from SYD, BNE and MEL. They are also often the 'replacement' flights in my experience in years past, when others are cancelled or gone tech. Also used to service a sudden spike in demand such as when a PM decides to have a major meeting in another city with two days' notice...Hmm. I’ve personally never seen them, both in person and looking at flight loading. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have been moved
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