I haven't seen any double TP offers from BA, but they may be targeted if the do make them. I remember in my four years as a P1 I never received a double status credit offer.
BAEC is good when it comes to defined benefits and this is a very good offset to the less well defined benefits which appear to be bestowed upon those they wish to lure into the madness of the frequent flyer form of Stockholm Syndrome. I'm looking to break free next year...but I have said that before and am now hooked into obtaining BA LTG!!! (There are some subtle changes happening in the background that will be the perfect treatment for my particular form of BA Stockholm Syndrome...well that and finally reaching LTG! A little viewed newish thread, posted by a travel agent, over on FT highlights a now closed loophole. ) Oh well maybe SQ PPS is the way to go?
The current J is just... well, what's a word that encapsulates an nth degree worse than 'awful'?
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I guess what I meant by "bit of a joke" was that it essentially devalues the level. I don't know if BA do such things and if they effect or contribute to GGL(TonyHancock??) but as I see it, QF set a high bar for the program and yet with multiplt DSC offerrs a year it makes it much easier.
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This is why I think, if they continue these promos, they will either:
a) make DSC (or bonus SCs earned from promos) not count towards P1
or
b) 2700 QF/JQ SC earn to not include bonus SC's
Now they already made Loyalty Bonus SC's not count towards P1, but also bonus SC's not count towards "bonus reward" levels like 2400 PBR, or 5000+ P1BR levels so I could see either o the above occuring.
I enjoy P1 no question, but it's not as exclusive as it was. I wonder if the ranks of P1s have surged in the past year or two from the alleged 3k-5k members there were in the first few years of the program. I'd love to know.
The $/member is an interesting point. I wonder how it works out with the various different paths to P1? My guess was that domestic J would be the way Qantas would like all P1's to qualify. 90 SYD to MEL @ $900/leg. However, once I thought about it, 180 flights in Flex @ $495/leg is an even better earner. Hmmm. How does the international score add up?QF probably has a budget to fund/run P1 which is tied back to a $ per member. The $ per member could be linked to a % of total average air profit per member. To maintain these ratios, the value of P1 members to Qantas (ticket revenue) would need to remain above $x per year.
So if DSC are pushing the average (ticket revenue) of P1 members down, it may affect budgeting to fund the P1 program.
Also may have an effect on retaining P1s who use the drop down to Plat as a way to justify 'spending up' into P1 for a year.
Of course - all guesses
The $/member is an interesting point. I wonder how it works out with the various different paths to P1? My guess was that domestic J would be the way Qantas would like all P1's to qualify. 90 SYD to MEL @ $900/leg. However, once I thought about it, 180 flights in Flex @ $495/leg is an even better earner. Hmmm. How does the international score add up?
I am sure I read something about that only recently!Loyalty member propensity to spend up/%share of wallet$ is arguably a much more powerful and accurate measurement.
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Problem is I just don't go where BA does enough to make it worthwhile for me to chase, but I agree with TH re BA's far more defined benefits (and they just upped the guests one can take into the lounge!) vs QF's wishy washy benefits that are far less defined, except upgrade priority and so on.
Could it be called BA "Slough Syndrome"?
Back to P1 and value of customers and their spend.. I'm sure it's far more refined than simplylooking at either direct ticket revenue($$) or more simply booking classes but also the far more important yield of tickets bought. - which sure, has a correlation back to fare clases, but obviously can provide more of a value to the business of how much money we make them as opposed to a total revenue figure which doesn't always provide the full picture when one wants to look at "value" of a customer to the business.
For example, if one looks at a long hauil destination and the spread of fares out there, you're likely to find fares in the same booking class, for example I for Discount/Sale business that cover a wide range of price points, and thus revenue. say a $5k base fare SYD-LAX up to an $7-8k fare.. still books into I, but hey presto, the one on the higher revenue fare gives QF fare more yield bot overall and for that particular sector.
So I am sure they look at all of our bookings and fare basis, and yield per trip and overall to work out our PCV (obviously it's far more complex)
So I am sure they look at all of our bookings and fare basis, and yield per trip and overall to work out our PCV (obviously it's far more complex)
I was considering this in terms of domestic flights and I'd have to say, flex flights must be an excellent earner for Qantas. The cost of providing is virtually identical to economy but the price can be several times that of economy.Could it be called BA "Slough Syndrome"?
Back to P1 and value of customers and their spend.. I'm sure it's far more refined than simplylooking at either direct ticket revenue($$) or more simply booking classes but also the far more important yield of tickets bought. - which sure, has a correlation back to fare clases, but obviously can provide more of a value to the business of how much money we make them as opposed to a total revenue figure which doesn't always provide the full picture when one wants to look at "value" of a customer to the business.
….. We, the road warriors (of one sort of another) know that P1 only seriously comeds into its own during irrops, which is something none of us want on a regular basis.
I enjoy P1 no question, but it's not as exclusive as it was. I wonder if the ranks of P1s have surged in the past year or two from the alleged 3k-5k members there were in the first few years of the program. I'd love to know.
The $/member is an interesting point. I wonder how it works out with the various different paths to P1? My guess was that domestic J would be the way Qantas would like all P1's to qualify. 90 SYD to MEL @ $900/leg. However, once I thought about it, 180 flights in Flex @ $495/leg is an even better earner. Hmmm. How does the international score add up?
I have a trip to LHR next week. Seriously considering crediting to BAEC (well and opening an account with my London hotel address) because QF give MH J sectors Y points/SC and BA do not. I mean it would be a tiny start. Problem is I just don't go where BA does enough to make it worthwhile for me to chase, but I agree with TH re BA's far more defined benefits (and they just upped the guests one can take into the lounge!) vs QF's wishy washy benefits that are far less defined, except upgrade priority and so on.
QF you know, it owuldn't hurt to give like a 125% status bonus or something. I mean come on dudes. throw us a bone!
…..Whilst I bang on about BA there is no doubt that the QF program will remain the best for many simply because of their travel patterns, and QF know that which is why I suspect they pitch the benefits at the level that are. QFP1 has just enough to keep people interested when the alternatives don't really work.… I am seriously considering SQ J, because if I continue with BA I will spend way too much time in Club World….
The only event I was able to take part in was the simulator, but you don’t hear about this these days.
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You get better champagne? How does that work? I appreciate the benefits of P1 but would struggle to list one hard benefit. Row 4 perhaps, shoulder to shoulder with other P1's? Nah, prefer Row 5, with my WP shadow next to me!I did get an invite for the simulator just after I had qualified (last year) so it does still happen however in my year of P1 I received 0 event invitations in total.
Also apart from in the lounge with hard benefits (better champagne for P1 for example)
I did get an invite for the simulator just after I had qualified (last year) so it does still happen however in my year of P1 I received 0 event invitations in total.
Also apart from in the lounge with hard benefits (better champagne for P1 for example) I have not received any special treatment because I am P1, just exactly the same as WP. Now some of this could be down to age as being young I do get overlooked as a status member. I remember a flight in QF F 2 years ago. I was WP my dad was NB and he was welcomed as the WP and got the special treatment (after my dad mentioned it was actually my status) whereas I got little to no recognition. This is less of an issue with P1 and more so an issue with the general discrimination about age and higher status.
You get better champagne? How does that work? I appreciate the benefits of P1 but would struggle to list one hard benefit. Row 4 perhaps, shoulder to shoulder with other P1's? Nah, prefer Row 5, with my WP shadow next to me!
You get better champagne? How does that work? I appreciate the benefits of P1 but would struggle to list one hard benefit. Row 4 perhaps, shoulder to shoulder with other P1's? Nah, prefer Row 5, with my WP shadow next to me!
Better champagne, not quite, but not sparkling wine at HKG and SIN champagne is available to P1s. Also with R4 I prefer C or D and if at the time of booking A or F is taken I pick the seat in the same block. In recent experience but not always QF seem to be blocking the B and E seats.
I am glad to hear that the simulator thing is still happening and I would suspect it is mainly offered to SYD based members. I had requested to be included on the invite list and it was SST who contacted me as I was travelling in and out of SYD at the time and they most likely joined the dots that I would be in SYD when there was an open spot.
As for your second paragraph it should not matter if you are young or older, if you are a P1 all should be treated the same however I get your point. I personally do not give any thought to age, race or gender, if you have the white card you should all be treated the same. To be honest, I do not expect to be treated differently to others when I am traveling - if you are in Y, J or F either paid, redemptions or upgrades you all got there in some way shape or form. What I take exception to is the QF marketing of the status benefits that are seldom realised.