Qantas getting hard on RSA

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Actually you'd find that it's based on the laws of the country or state which the aircraft currently resides in... A few years ago I remember an airline (I believe it was CO) had its rights to serve alcohol in a certain US state revoked. This meant that this airline was not allowed to serve alcohol to pax whilst the plane was flying over the specific state.

I'd expect that you'd find that 3 sets of laws apply to an aircraft, first is laws of the country which the aircraft is registered in, the second is the laws of the country which the aircraft is destined, and third the laws of the country which the aircraft is currently over.

I don't think you can really compare aircraft ops to "Flag Law", as a ship typically spend most of its time in international waters unless it's specifically in port, where as an aircraft can just as easily fly over a country as it can over a international waters (airspace).
 

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I don't think you can really compare aircraft ops to "Flag Law", as a ship typically spend most of its time in international waters unless it's specifically in port, where as an aircraft can just as easily fly over a country as it can over a international waters (airspace).
As I posted, flag law is the default.

Then comes other regulation such as those of any of countries of origin/destination/traverse that might be applicable which override/confirm/contradict flag law.
 

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We follow Australian law at all times. We don't have any specific rules we have to remember for any countries in regards to serving alcohol.

I don't see how checking ID can be a cost cutting measure..... and I haven't had any memo's from work stating to be more vigilant
 

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Phew, when I read the title, I thought there was going to be a real problem :D
 

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QF has been pushing me alcohol since I was 15. Mostly TPAC flights to the USA which is interesting as well.
 

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We follow Australian law at all times. We don't have any specific rules we have to remember for any countries in regards to serving alcohol.

I don't see how checking ID can be a cost cutting measure..... and I haven't had any memo's from work stating to be more vigilant
+1 RSA is a requirement (by ANY establishment that serves alcohol) and if not adhered to, can lead to severe disciplinary action for the person providing the alcohol... if something goes wrong..the crew member is left to hang!! simple as that!
 

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Try being is the USA where there are states that have legislated that anyone purchasing retail liquor get's to be "carded".

That's Anyone - irrespective of apparent age ...

When I was in the US they loved giving me as many drink chits as I wanted in the Admirals Club...

(I'm 20)
 

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I was at the baseball in Atlanta about 5 years ago and got asked for ID when purchasing alcohol. (100% ID chech was required)

The problem was the young lady serving could not understand Australian English and I could not understand her deep southern English. We managed with hand signals and by pointing at signs :!:

Always funny over in West Virginia - what's that there you'all speakin', um english the same as you. Or, can I please have a glass of coke only to have a glass of milk arrive.
 

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Slight tangent but what law does Qantas (and other airlines for that matter) adhere to when departing from another country? For example, on the departures from LAX, HNL and DFW, is Qantas required to adhere to US law and thus minimum age of 21 for service of alcohol, or is it Australian law?

And what about the purely internal QF107/108?

It was definitely Australian law on QF108 JFK-LAX when I flew the route as an 19 year old (back when it was served by a 744). It was the only place in the United States that I could get a drink at the time! :mrgreen:
 

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I have been told by an extremly reliable source, that the reason is, wait for it, be surprised, cost cutting!:eek:
How so?

Asking for ID is time consuming. The more time spent checking ID's the less time available to serve alcohol?

I would love to be young enough to be asked for ID but that is not likely to happen anytime soon. I used to purchase alcohol for everyone from pubs, bottle shops, when I was 14 and never asked for ID! :shock: I used to place bets in a TAB from as young as 16!
 

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It also happens in Alice Springs - photo ID required for all bottle shop purchases: your ID is scanned looking for banned drinkers. And I am well of legal age; first wondered if there was some sort of seniors deal :)
 

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NT has some strange liquor rules. Try drinking at uluru resort if u aren't with a key holder.

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Not just airlines. I'm over 50 and the last time we went to a bar in Sydneys Oxford st,with my partners 18 yr old nephew - we were carded.
I said to the bouncer - how fabulous - you think I'm only 17, he said sorry- we card everyone to make sure you have id incase the club is put into lockdown for some sort of police raid
 
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Not just airlines. I'm over 50 and the last time we went to a bar in Sydneys Oxford st,with my partners 18 yr old nephew - we were carded.
I said to the bouncer - how fabulous - you think I'm only 17, he said sorry- we card everyone to make sure you have id incase the club is put into lockdown for some sort of police raid

Try getting into a joint along Mooloolaba after 10pm.......need a photo ID so that they scan it into their system. When the *heads play up & get thrown out they send their photos to every other establishment along the esplanade.

It's sad how it's come to this......I suspect it has less to do with drink and more about something else they've taken :(
 

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Try getting into a joint along Mooloolaba after 10pm.......need a photo ID so that they scan it into their system. When the *heads play up & get thrown out they send their photos to every other establishment along the esplanade.

It's sad how it's come to this......I suspect it has less to do with drink and more about something else they've taken :(

Holy cough, are you serious??? Wow I am getting old (and dont get out much any more either apparantly). That's really amazing. Surely there is a privacy issue there, sending pics all over the joint, even so, I bet it saves a hell of a lot of incidents occurring inside clubs etc when the morons are stopped even entering. Great stuff actually, thinking about it :)


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Holy cough, are you serious??? Wow I am getting old (and dont get out much any more either apparantly). That's really amazing. Surely there is a privacy issue there, sending pics all over the joint, even so, I bet it saves a hell of a lot of incidents occurring inside clubs etc when the morons are stopped even entering. Great stuff actually, thinking about it :)


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There is probably a sign on entry saying that you accept the terms such as that by entering the premises. I believe that a similar system has been trailed in Perth.
Bars to make ID mandatory - The West Australian
 
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