Qantas / Emirates tie up (Partnership inc. Codeshare, Status)

[smit0847]

As I've said previously, I'm not sure how they're going to agree on pricing given EK has a much lower cost base than QF. Presumably they will charge the same AU-DXB regardless of the metal - if QF lower their prices to EK levels they will lose more money, if EK raise their prices to QF levels no-one will fly them.

 

[markis10]

ACCC approval may take some time, as will IASC approval.

 

[markis10]

SMH have also run an article with content that states EK will take over PER for flights to Europe as well as the cessation for the FRA run.

Qantas en route to alliance with Emirates

 

[anat0l]

There's been quite a few of these articles recently; this one says that an agreement could be signed as early as next week, yet the last line of the article says nothing to confirm the "speculation".

This is confusing:!:

 

[Isochronous]

1. Disappointing if we lose FRA - I thought this was still viable given the freight loads and F/J loads. If anything I thought perhaps rerouting to Berlin to take advantage of Air Berlin being in oneworld would help.

2. Wouldn't Qatar be a more logical partner - less congested hub airport in Qatar, less likely to demand QF cut routes, and BA wanted to bring them into oneworld anyway

 

[Flashback]

There's been quite a few of these articles recently; this one says that an agreement could be signed as early as next week, yet the last line of the article says nothing to confirm the "speculation".

This is confusing:!:

If this happens that I'm guessing that would kill direct OW options into PER as I doubt BA would then codeshare the QF codeshare?

 

[Danger]

SMH have also run an article with content that states EK will take over PER for flights to Europe as well as the cessation for the FRA run.

Qantas en route to alliance with Emirates

I'm very concerned about the second paragraph. It's open to interpretation but it suggests abandoning Perth entirely, which was the genesis of another thread a month or so ago.

 

[mannej]

If this happens that I'm guessing that would kill direct OW options into PER as I doubt BA would then codeshare the QF codeshare?

Lets not forget about CX and their double daily's into PER
(CX136/137 and CX170/171)

It still baffles me that they believe they don't make money out of PER internationally.

Perhaps if it was shown a tad more respect (all 3 flights arrive between the hours of 00:00 and 05:00), you may get the rewards back...

 

[browski]

Qantas giving up Perth-SIN is no biggy because MH will pick up that slack.

However I see a larger strategic error if Qantas code shares on the EK metal for flights from SYD (and MEL) to DXB.
I don't know about the wisdom of showing the EK A380 F and J products to Qantas high spend pax.
Geez, how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paris

 

[markis10]

1. Disappointing if we lose FRA - I thought this was still viable given the freight loads and F/J loads. If anything I thought perhaps rerouting to Berlin to take advantage of Air Berlin being in oneworld would help.

2. Wouldn't Qatar be a more logical partner - less congested hub airport in Qatar, less likely to demand QF cut routes, and BA wanted to bring them into oneworld anyway

QF don't have the aircraft to do FRA once the 744s drop to 9, it's bound to go unless the ACCC tell them to shove the JNB codeshare.

 

[Danger]

Qantas giving up Perth-SIN is no biggy because MH will pick up that slack.

However I see a larger strategic error if Qantas code shares on the EK metal for flights from SYD (and MEL) to DXB.
I don't know about the wisdom of showing the EK A380 F and J products to Qantas high spend pax.
Geez, how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paris

Ahhhh. Very well put.

 

[anat0l]

Qantas giving up Perth-SIN is no biggy because MH will pick up that slack.

That only gets you to KUL; hopefully MH markets PER/SIN, because KUL/SIN can regularly be overpriced on MH.

I don't know about the wisdom of showing the EK A380 F and J products to Qantas high spend pax.
Geez, how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paris

VA are sharing SYD/AUH with EY. I don't think they were awfully worried about going toe-to-toe with their Middle Eastern counterparts, despite being a bit lacking in product and service.

QF might be the same. Besides, EK has to get something out of this deal to be happy. And we could all use some extra breathing room for award seats and upgrades, right?


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[ozmille]

I'd hate to see FRA go, usually quite easy to get JASA to

 

[Flashback]

Just gives me more of an incentive to stump up for USDM points and flying that way. Why bother trying to renew status!

 

[browski]

That only gets you to KUL; hopefully MH markets PER/SIN, because KUL/SIN can regularly be overpriced on MH.



VA are sharing SYD/AUH with EY. I don't think they were awfully worried about going toe-to-toe with their Middle Eastern counterparts, despite being a bit lacking in product and service.

QF might be the same. Besides, EK has to get something out of this deal to be happy. And we could all use some extra breathing room for award seats and upgrades, right?


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Sure I'm certainly very happy to get more award seat options.
But..........the comparison with VA is maybe not the best.
VA never flew to London anyway and this kangaroo route seems to be a big earner for QF. Also IMO, the VA 777 J product compares quite well with EY's A340 J product.

Anyway, plenty of details to work out I imagine, like...........I'm wondering if any flydubai metal will carry any QF flight numbers (or if any JQ flights will carry any EK flight numbers)

 

[Isochronous]

I'm very concerned about the second paragraph. It's open to interpretation but it suggests abandoning Perth entirely, which was the genesis of another thread a month or so ago.

PER is a huge growth market and the economic centre of gravity in Australia is shifting westward. you'd think QF would want to capitalise on that.

 

[Flashback]

PER is a huge growth market and the economic centre of gravity in Australia is shifting westward. you'd think QF would want to capitalise on that.

We all know that QF goes out of their way to do the complete opposite in all other areas, why should this be any different.

 

[browski]

PER is a huge growth market and the economic centre of gravity in Australia is shifting westward. you'd think QF would want to capitalise on that.

Apparently Christmas Island is also a huge growth market, but QF have still left that to VA. I'm thinking PER and XCH are deemed to be on a par level of importance by AJ.

 

[Danger]

PER is a huge growth market and the economic centre of gravity in Australia is shifting westward. you'd think QF would want to capitalise on that.

We all know that QF goes out of their way to do the complete opposite in all other areas, why should this be any different.

I agree, with both statements.

SQ's move to four daily PER flights is a perfect example. QF has two.

 

[Kaldemir]

It's time to see the reality. No European carrier (other than 2 BA flights a day) flies to Sydney. That is for a reason. All airlines who tried those two leg flights made a loss and cancelled them. It is hard to fill the planes on both legs at the same time and that's why they all choose to service Australia with code shares. And if Qantas is to make a profit, they will have to adapt a similar approach. Fly to South East Asia, Middle East, West Coast of the US, South America and South Africa; and cover Europe, East Coast of the US, Russia and North Africa with code shares. While I'd much rather fly all the way to Europe on QF metal one needs to accept it's not sustainable.

PS: If Qantas doesn't negotiate lounge access for QC, there's no way I get on EK metal.