Qantas ditches SAA codeshare

[zainman]

You got me there flyingfan

not to mention BNE-AKL and MXP-JFK

 

[moa999]

Without the SA traffic on QF63/64 (who will now fly VA to PER and the SA to JNB), that route will be unprofitable and get dumped on Thursday. Particularly given the extra fuel that would be burned on the direct service


Most likely QF will replace it with an additional SYD-PER pairing and a PER-JNB flight (allowing it to keep its SYD-JNB pax and the pax it codeshared on SA services)…

Overall pax split between QF and SA probably wont change.
If that happens all the ACCC has done is forced SYD customers into inconvenience and I doubt it will lower fares much at all.



The other alternative is QF forces both SYD and PER passengers via DXB. QF will undoubtedly lose pax to VA/SA and SA will be able to put prices up.


Either way looks like the ACCC decision will backfire on the consumer.

 

[woodborer]

Either way looks like the ACCC decision will backfire on the consumer.

I think you will find that regulator you should be aiming at in this case is the IASC.

 

[VHOEJ]

No surprise - the ACCC didn't do any favours

so VA to code on SA, QF to pull out all together, how is that good for the consumer ACCC? Now a monopoly and no direct service from SYD

 

[eminere]

I don't think EK operates any flight to anywhere that doesn't go via DXB first :-|

Some of EK's fifth freedom flights:

Buenos Aires – Rio de Janeiro
Colombo – Singapore
Colombo – Malé
Kuala Lumpur – Melbourne
Singapore – Melbourne
Bangkok – Sydney
Bangkok – Hong Kong
Singapore – Brisbane
Brisbane – Auckland
Sydney – Auckland
Melbourne – Auckland
Sydney – Christchurch
Harare – Lusaka
Accra – Abidjan
Malta – Larnaca

 

[casanovawa]

Another cut of service to Perth for its loyals QF members, its a wonder these w@nkers can even find us on the map...

 

[sydstar]

Could there be a case for perhaps reducing frequency SYD-JNB rather than cancelling the route all together? Wasn't JNB at one point recently only operating 6 days a week? Couldn't QF do something like SCL and operate a reduced frequency i.e. 4-5 times a week?

QF63 currently leaves at 10.30am. That gives enough time for connections from MEL, BNE, CBR, multiple regional NSW ports, AKL, WLG and CHC. Even ADL connections can work (although the VA/SA offering would be more attractive here). BA does have a network on the other end to feed into as well.

Do QF really think their customers are stupid enough to travel via DXB to go to South Africa?

 

[DalyWaters]

Either way looks like the ACCC decision will backfire on the consumer.

Qantas have announced the dropping of the code share "in anticipation" of the ACCC not wanting to allow an extension.

The fact that they pre-empt the ACCC decision indicates it is really just a matter of convenience for Qantas.

 

[Danger]

. . . If that happens all the ACCC has done is forced SYD customers into inconvenience and I doubt it will lower fares much at all . . .

If Sydney folk are inconvenienced it will be the first time. They will still have a hell of a lot of catching up to do before they join their fellow countrymen and women.

 

[ChrisCunard]

Oh please make it stop. What the ?!?! is going on at Qantas.


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[serfty]

Some of EK's fifth freedom flights:
...

Do any of those not begin or end in Dubai?

 

[samh004]

Another cut of service to Perth for its loyals QF members, its a wonder these w@nkers can even find us on the map...

Hard to operate a route if it's not going to make money though. With no codeshare partner, there's no use simply making a loss to keep PER customers happy. That's the issue here, enough people don't want to fly them, so they can't sustain services and have to cut them.

 

[CamDownUnder]

And how much longer until QF ditches its own SYD-JNB flights? Can't see those can be making them enough money to be worth the trouble.

 

[VHOEJ]

Qantas have announced the dropping of the code share "in anticipation" of the ACCC not wanting to allow an extension.

The fact that they pre-empt the ACCC decision indicates it is really just a matter of convenience for Qantas.

They only JUST got the extension to the agreement over the line last time - if the last decision was a strong result in favour of it, QF wouldn't be taking the action it is.

Even if the route makes money, the ISAC will just end it for them no matter the implications for the consumer

 

[eminere]

Do any of those not begin or end in Dubai?

Yes, but my point being you don't have to have your travel start or end in DXB with those fifth freedom flights - EK has local passenger pickup rights between those city pairs.

 

[coyote25]

So QF changed my OW Award flights in October.

Originally going Melbourne to Perth and than onwards to Johannesburg on South African Airlines. Now early morning flight Melbourne to Sydney and the onward flight is Sydney to Johannesburg (QF63).

Only problem for me is I had another flight to Cape Town which linked up well with the old QF303. With the new setup I'll now have to book and pay for a night in Johannesburg

Does anyone have any recommendations for a hotel near Johannesburg Airport. I'll have a 12.50 flight the next day (25 October).

 

[Danger]

So QF changed my OW Award flights in October.

Originally going Melbourne to Perth and than onwards to Johannesburg on South African Airlines. Now early morning flight Melbourne to Sydney and the onward flight is Sydney to Johannesburg (QF63).

Only problem for me is I had another flight to Cape Town which linked up well with the old QF303. With the new setup I'll now have to book and pay for a night in Johannesburg

Does anyone have any recommendations for a hotel near Johannesburg Airport. I'll have a 12.50 flight the next day (25 October).

There is an InterContinental at the airport but it's likely to be pricey. There is also another airport hotel that is, I think, three star and part of this chain. And I've previously stayed at a Holiday Inn (Express, I think) that's not too far from the airport, remembering that JNB is a fair way from anywhere. It's decent for a quick trip but there's nothing around nearby.

 

[serfty]

And how much longer until QF ditches its own SYD-JNB flights? Can't see those can be making them enough money to be worth the trouble.

Well- according to AJ in a discussion about 'big loss routes' QF63/QF64 must 'generate cash': (Qantas chief gives no guarantees on keeping jobs in Australia - 27/02/2014)

SARAH FERGUSON: ... the response of many analysts today is that this announcement of yours was not strong enough. If we look, for example, just at the international arm, part of the business which is losing huge sums of money, you haven't taken the hard decisions to cut the loss-making routes. Why should you get handouts if you're not prepared - you and your board are not prepared to take those decisions?

ALAN JOYCE: But we have. I mean, if you think of the routes that we have taken out, we've withdrawn two of our services to London, we've withdrawn from Frankfurt, we've withdrawn from Auckland, LA. I could keep on listing...

SARAH FERGUSON: Yes, but you haven't attacked the big loss routes in South America, in South Africa.

ALAN JOYCE: But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ...

 

[drron]

We stayed in the Protea at JNB.Much cheaper than the IC.
They have now been taken over by Marriott.
Perfectly adequate.

 

[DrA]

Could there be a case for perhaps reducing frequency SYD-JNB rather than cancelling the route all together? Wasn't JNB at one point recently only operating 6 days a week? Couldn't QF do something like SCL and operate a reduced frequency i.e. 4-5 times a week?

QF63 currently leaves at 10.30am. That gives enough time for connections from MEL, BNE, CBR, multiple regional NSW ports, AKL, WLG and CHC. Even ADL connections can work (although the VA/SA offering would be more attractive here). BA does have a network on the other end to feed into as well.

Do QF really think their customers are stupid enough to travel via DXB to go to South Africa?

Have to concede that I've done this. There's a direct flight on EK from DXB to CPT that I've caught before because the timing worked out better. Although it was not on the QF codeshare, everything was booked on EK flight numbers.