Qantas cuts Auckland flights from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane

[blackcat20]

Hmm, hope our March flights are safe.

 

[Brisbane Flyer]

I prefer the live first, work second motto.

EK booked via QF website is best for my situation, out in the morning, get into AKL for happy hour and dinner, flights back in the late afternoon, so I can squeeze in a round of golf on the way to the airport.

And to do it on an A380, much preferred over a 737.

Cheers
BF

Because it may not fly when you need to go, ie night before to get a full day in after working in Australia.

 

[markis10]

Hmm, hope our March flights are safe.

Here are the details:

Additional Services

QF186/
QF183 Auckland-Melbourne Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods. QF183 will operate on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays and the QF186 will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. QF183 will depart Melbourne at 0855 and QF186 will depart Auckland at 1950.

QF181/
QF182 Sydney-Auckland Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. The QF181 will depart Sydney at 1345 and the QF182 will depart Auckland at 1100.


QF185/
QF188 Sydney-Auckland Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. The QF185 will depart Sydney at 1800 and the QF188 will depart Auckland at 1530.


Adjustments for low demand periods

QF125/
QF126 Auckland-Brisbane (daily) During low demand periods, will change from a daily service, to operate five days per week (will not operate on Tuesdays and Saturdays).


Cancelled services

QF156/
QF153 Auckland-Melbourne (daily) Cancelled from 26 October 2014. This service is predominantly taken up by leisure travellers.


QF148/
QF141 Auckland-Sydney (daily) Cancelled from 26 October 2014. This service is predominantly taken up by leisure travellers.

 

[Mwenenzi]

As a frequent traveller trans-Tasman in the last year JQ are in most cases no cheaper than QF, VA, EK after adding a bundle (and it me an exit row seat). My trips tend to Air NZ/VA to NZ and JQ/VA back, with the ocassional QF MEL to AKL or WLG. Are 100% based on arival / departure times and booked a 2 to 7days before travel. Once I used to fly domestic Air NZ to AKL then the ~21:00 AKL-MEL flight, but Air NZ domestic pricing has put an end to that. Would never trust JQ for domestic NZ flights. FF miles have be credited to US (Air NZ flights) (will become AA miles), VA (VA flights) or QF (JQ flights)

So more with Air NZ from now on. Less with Qantas group

 

[serfty]

I am booked in January on QF156 on a Thursday - I suspect I'll be moved to QF186.

Works better for me as it leaves 1½ hours earlier than the 9:35pm-11:45pm of QF156.

Latest Qantas News

Flight Route Change Additional Services QF186/ QF183 Auckland-Melbourne Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods. QF183 will operate on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays and the QF186 will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. QF183 will depart Melbourne at 0855 and QF186 will depart Auckland at 1950. QF181/ QF182 Sydney-Auckland Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. The QF181 will depart Sydney at 1345 and the QF182 will depart Auckland at 1100. QF185/ QF188 Sydney-Auckland Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. The QF185 will depart Sydney at 1800 and the QF188 will depart Auckland at 1530. Adjustments for low demand periods QF125/ QF126 Auckland-Brisbane (daily) During low demand periods, will change from a daily service, to operate five days per week (will not operate on Tuesdays and Saturdays). Cancelled services QF156/ QF153 Auckland-Melbourne (daily) Cancelled from 26 October 2014. This service is predominantly taken up by leisure travellers. QF148/ QF141 Auckland-Sydney (daily) Cancelled from 26 October 2014. This service is predominantly taken up by leisure travellers.

 

[Dmac6345]

why would anyone fly QF to AKL anyway when you can fly the EK A380

Exactly!

43A/K in Y on EK is IMO better than QF J anyway.
I have flown EK on trans Tas many times after having VERY average flights on QF.

 

[Mr_Orange]

Here are the details:

Additional Services

QF186/
QF183 Auckland-Melbourne Introduced to the network during Christmas and school holiday peak periods. QF183 will operate on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays and the QF186 will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. QF183 will depart Melbourne at 0855 and QF186 will depart Auckland at 1950.

Holy flight number clash, batman!! 186 is also the seasonal ZQN-BNE flight number. How does using the same flight number for two completely different flights, albeit at different times of the year, work?

 

[Himeno]

Holy flight number clash, batman!! 186 is also the seasonal ZQN-BNE flight number. How does using the same flight number for two completely different flights, albeit at different times of the year, work?

The same way they can have QF1 go SYD-SIN-LHR one day and SYD-DXB-LHR the next. Or QF8, which used to be a flight from FCO, then a day flight from LAX and is now from DFW.

Change the flight plan.

 

[eastwest101]

Obviously the EK A380 is having an effect, as well as currency movements in AUD and NZD but it dosen't say much about the Jetconnect model of outsourcing that the flagship bearer of reduced cost QFi given all the advantages of having QFi give it the routes, probably cheap capital, subsidized training and setup costs, one home competitor in the form of NZ whom have deliberately 'gimped' another competitor VA into not running J class, the departure of the incompetent Aerolinas Argentinas and a not exactly world beating LAN competitor has resulted in these recent capacity reductions.

I think the takeaway from that is that even if QF did reduce its legacy unionized high wage costs then it is other factors that can still make any future outsourced QF unprofitable, hence the problems could be even more deeply rooted. Why can't Jutcinnuct make money? Could it be the fixed overhead costs of QF itself? Fleet selection? Management? Route selection? Is Jetstar somehow affecting QFJetconnect yields but not NZ as much? Pretty stark that a decision by EK to just 'run it accross the ditch' to get some pax and freight and increase utilization idea can send you out the back door fairly prompty if your prices/product or something else is wrong.

Or as other have posted the choice between EK A380 vs QF B737 vs JQ A320....

 

[Mr_Orange]

The same way they can have QF1 go SYD-SIN-LHR one day and SYD-DXB-LHR the next. Or QF8, which used to be a flight from FCO, then a day flight from LAX and is now from DFW.

Change the flight plan.

OK, but with QF1, it was a cut and shut change from one route to another in one particular year as opposed to it being two different routes every year.

 

[codash1099]

So another downgrade. Premium service airline heading towards a seasonal airline. How many more routes will head this way?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't get it.

if you look for business class award availability on QF services they are as rare as hens' teeth. Which leads to the conclusion they must be being sold for revenue fares. A family member in fact did that paying over 200,000 points for an anyseat award a while ago. Nothing ever opened up for classic awards (I guess aside from the initial one or two).

So if you can sell that many J class seats, why would you axe them?

I wish JQ would introduce a premium offering for all their narrow-body flights. Even if it was just one row of business class style seating those would surely sell?

 

[JessicaTam]

OK, but with QF1, it was a cut and shut change from one route to another in one particular year as opposed to it being two different routes every year.

And QF1 still has the same ultimate destination.

 

[eric2011]

Don't forget you Sydney people also have LAN as another alternative for J travel to/from AKL

 

[markis10]

Don't forget you Sydney people also have LAN as another alternative for J travel to/from AKL

When its not cancelled, like at the start of the month when it was three times a week

 

[michaele]

I wish JQ would introduce a premium offering for all their narrow-body flights. Even if it was just one row of business class style seating those would surely sell?

.. but doesn't that go against the principle of what JQ/a LCC should be? Unless JQ replacing QF is the long term plan...

 

[Mr_Orange]

And QF1 still has the same ultimate destination.

Indeed, with the same origin/destination pair too, just a different pit stop.

 

[markis10]

And todays JQ Frenzy features...........NZ flights(before the change, but cheap)

Sydney Christchurch $139^

Melbourne (Tullamarine) Christchurch $149^

Gold Coast Auckland $149^

Sydney Auckland $149^

Melbourne (Tullamarine) Auckland $149^

Sydney Queenstown $229^

Melbourne (Tullamarine) Queenstown $229^

 

[Himeno]

Unless JQ replacing QF is the long term plan...

It's Alan Joyce. He worked at Aer Lingus before joining Ansett. Then fled Ansett for Qantas a year before it collapsed, then was JQ CEO from its founding until Geoff Dixon left.
He built JQ. His actions at QF since his promotion to CEO all point to his wanting to keep building up JQ over QF.

 

[browski]

Don't forget you Sydney people also have LAN as another alternative for J travel to/from AKL

Aren't the flights with best schedule and cheapest J class, the CI A330 flights ex-BNE and ex-SYD?

To each his own but that's my pick.