Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[MEL_Traveller]

If anyone is turned away, I reckon it will be a set up.

If lounge managers are to be given guidelines, those guidelines should be published, and applied consistently. It would be wholly unfair to allow an attractive guest entry wearing a singlet, but deny a less attractive one wearing the same thing entry.

 

[Pushka]

Some consider it OT but in similar vein to Blackcat I'd prefer to see a behaviour code. Based on respecting others personal space in a public lounge. The loud talkers on phones, or watching a video without earphones, even if immaculately dressed are far more intrusive.

Plus a simple statement that clothes can't be ripped or dirty, no singlets and footwear worn at all times. Or words to that effect. Hi-viz - no problems as long as it's clean.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I bet nothing happens at all.......

 

[boomy]

Boomy you forget some of us were born in another era.Our ideas on acceptable dress were moulded when we were young.You could say those who cant accept that fact may also have closed minds but in fact we are just different.
Google pictures of the unemployed in the great Depression-most men were wearing suits even though they had no job.
Different times,different standards.

I understand and I fully respect your choice of clothes, whatever they may be. On the same token I don't appreciate anyone judging me or other people by the way they dress. It's narrow minded and totally wrong IMO.

 

[woodborer]

I understand and I fully respect your choice of clothes, whatever they may be. On the same token I don't appreciate anyone judging me or other people by the way they dress. It's narrow minded and totally wrong IMO.

I don't think there is any judgement being made on people on the way they dress. Qantas are just asking people (exceptions aside) not look like they are going to the beach or the gym....

 

[maninblack]

I bet nothing happens at all.......

Absolutely right!

 

[dk4]

...asking people (exceptions aside) not look like they are going to the beach....

ROFL.... I often fly to/from the beach, in fact once i got out of the pool at HTI, wandered down the road and over the hill to the airport, pulled on my shorts and got on my VA flight (sitting in 1F), togs still wet, ow!!

Qantas is an Australian airline, not one from a socially backwards country like the UAE.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Absolutely right!

Let's get serious in this threat!

Should we all not just turn up as DYKWIAs at our local QP on April 1 (start of policy?) in thongs, singlets (WTF or DYKWIA limited print edition available at very reasonable price from AFF and all good FF retailers - negotiations under way with QPoints) and budgie smugglers? (Princess Fiona and Flying Mermaid et al exempt if they wish, if that is not a PC comment.) (Politicians and CLs excluded.)

 

[Pushka]

People in the UAE dress extremely respectfully. It's hardly socially backward.

 

[Pleb Status]

I bet nothing happens at all.......

That is because there is no 'problem' to do anything about. The current enforcement system works fine.

 

[feezable]

I have been thinking about writing this post for a while. Prior to the experience I will outline I thought that I was not personally bothered by dress standards, but could accept that others might be.

I was visiting my mum in the country, we were gathering for dinner in the 'formal' dining room, there were 11 of us including me and my 2 children. We were all casually dressed and relaxed. My 17 year old nephew arrived from the farm down the road in thongs and very short boxers (no shirt) and for the first time that I can remember I felt uncomfortable because of what someone else was wearing. I have a new appreciation of how what someone wears may impact on how another person feels.

Where ever possible I try to do no harm and that includes not making other people uncomfortable. I take this into account when considering what I will wear on any occasion.

 

[Mark3000]

The thing is that wealthy and classy people may sometimes dress in all sorts of ways. However if someone chooses to dress in thongs and T shirts and are covered in tattoos, like it or not, other people will assume you are poor / low class. That is simply how the world works and none of us will ever change it.
If you want respect you will need to dress appropriately. No matter how wealthy you are or how classy you might feel, unless you look the part others will judge you poorly. Some people don't care about that and that's fine too, but for those who do want respect and don't want to be judged, you must dress appropriately.
It's been like this for centuries

 

[Pushka]

But many couldn't care if random strangers respect them in a club. So they need other incentives to be appropriately dressed. Like endorsement at the entrance.

 

[boomy]

I don't think there is any judgement being made on people on the way they dress. Qantas are just asking people (exceptions aside) not look like they are going to the beach or the gym....

When I go to the beach or the gym I usually wear t-shirt, shorts and moccasins. If I will ever feel like wearing these clothes to the F lounge or any other QF lounge I will do so and I'll bet ya I won't be denied entry even after the 1st of April.

 

[dk4]

It's hardly socially backward.

IMO, on every single level the UAE is a facade, it is extremely socially backwards, it is comprehensively unAustralian, and offers nothing of value to this planet. So we have a serious difference of opinion

 

[Pushka]

Being unAustralian makes them socially backward? Isn't this thread about bogan style dress in the QP? I'm betting none would be of UAE origin.

Yes. We have a serious difference of opinion. I'm fine with that.

 

[basso]

When I go to the beach or the gym I usually wear t-shirt, shorts and moccasins. If I will ever feel like wearing these clothes to the F lounge or any other QF lounge I will do so and I'll bet ya I won't be denied entry even after the 1st of April.

Comprehension is not your strong point. This does not affect the F lounges. What is likely to happen is that someone will be denied entry, a manager further up the chain will overrule the lounge manager, and then all enforcement will be out the window.

 

[boomy]

Comprehension is not your strong point. This does not affect the F lounges. What is likely to happen is that someone will be denied entry, a manager further up the chain will overrule the lounge manager, and then all enforcement will be out the window.

Reading is obviously not your strong point as I clearly said F lounge or any other QF lounge (includes QF clubs if you didn't get it).
I don't believe there will be any enforcement.

 

[drron]

The thing is that wealthy and classy people may sometimes dress in all sorts of ways. However if someone chooses to dress in thongs and T shirts and are covered in tattoos, like it or not, other people will assume you are poor / low class. That is simply how the world works and none of us will ever change it.
If you want respect you will need to dress appropriately. No matter how wealthy you are or how classy you might feel, unless you look the part others will judge you poorly. Some people don't care about that and that's fine too, but for those who do want respect and don't want to be judged, you must dress appropriately.
It's been like this for centuries

Pushka has got this very right.In 1995 I was asked by police to medically examine a fellow well in his 80s who they felt was demented and shouldn't have a driving licence.Mrsdrron was working the desk.One look convinced her he did not have 2 pennies to rub together so he was bulk billed.
He brought along what he said were part of his records.It detailed just some of his share holdings which were significant enough for the QLD treasurer to send the ministerial car to pick him up to vote on the merger of Suncorp and Metway bank.
He turned out to be one of the richest men in QLD.
He had never married,didn't care for wordly pleasures but delighted in being able to pick the right investments.He didn't even have a phone at home but would ring his broker from the local phone booth.
Though he would never be seen in an airline lounge.

But many couldn't care if random strangers respect them in a club. So they need other incentives to be appropriately dressed. Like endorsement at the entrance.

 

[Claudius]

This is a very interesting yet weird discussion, so emotionally charged from both sides.
Let's try to unpack this and remove some layers of complexity around morality or the right to wear what we want.

here is a clear example ***warning if you click on this link you can never unsee this image and it may forever haunt you***
https://stevehollier.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/borat-mankini-very-nice.jpg

Now, I think we all agree Mr Borat up there is not appropriately dressed to enter the Lounge or be seen by a member of the human race anywhere essentially, we would also agree that the way he dresses would affect others, and at the very minimum make a significant subset of people highly uncomfortable.

Now that we agree it's not black and white and anyone should be allowed to wear anything they want as long as it's clean, the question becomes more about what is considered socially acceptable to wear in public places in order to avoid making at least the majority of people around you uncomfortable.

You will find this varies from place to place, for example while a bikini would be appropriate for a beach, it would make people uncomfortable at a restaurant or extremely uncomfortable in some more conservative countries. a lounge is no different from a restaurant, hotel lobby or other such public place, and one should wear clothes that are socially appropriate for that place.

The reality is different people have different sensitivities about which parts of the human body should be exposed to make one uncomfortable, and the spectrum varies significantly from person to person.
Knowing you will meet people of all cultures, backgrounds and ages in the lounge, it would be polite and considerate to dress to a standard that is less likely to offend, that standard is often referred to smart casual.

This has nothing to do with socio economic standards, expected behaviour, perceived social class, narrow mindedness or any other labels you wish to stick to it, it's about politeness, respect and general etiquette.

So, in conclusion, please be respectful to your fellow travellers who may have different sensitivities and cultural backgrounds to your own (this applies to older generation Australians and more conservative individuals just as much), it takes 5 minutes to change clothes when you arrive at the beach on the other side, is that really too much effort to be polite?