The real (and simple) answer to all questions like this is "because they can!"peteQLD said:Why is it that the Qantas business class fares are so much higher than most other airlines ??? i.e. $ 12k vs. $ 5k
Does anyone know ?
I have to agree. I did PER-SIN-ICN-YVR a few years ago - not helped by a 1 am start from PER. It seemd interminable and I was like a zombi for a couple of days (my kids say they didn't notice the difference). And the flight over the North Pole was indeed very pretty. It's one of those things everybody should do once.NYCguy said:The QF/UA non-stop trans-pac duopoly is a very nice little earner for both of them, I should imagine. Still, I don't have to lecture the members of this board about the convenience of 1-stop service to east-coast US ports, and I don't mean via north Asia either. As for the ultra-long-range SIN/EWR or BKK/JFK services with SQ and TG, well, it's a very pretty flight over the North Pole in the daytime, but it takes for bloody ever, and it's miles and miles out of my way.
So I continue to pay top-dollar for reasonably good premium cabin service that gets me SYD/JFK in 20 hours , instead of 28+ .
Yes, Qanats charge a premium for business class travel ex-Australia. But I think your numbers are a little exaggerated. Which routes does Qantas charge $12K while most other airlines charge $5K?peteQLD said:Why is it that the Qantas business class fares are so much higher than most other airlines ??? i.e. $ 12k vs. $ 5k
Does anyone know ?
NM said:Yes, Qanats charge a premium for business class travel ex-Australia. But I think your numbers are a little exaggerated. Which routes does Qantas charge $12K while most other airlines charge $5K?
When you identify the routes and airlines, I think you will also identify some differences in the products. In my experience, the cheaper premium cabin options generally involve less direct routing or less comfortable seating etc. In these cases, the airlines offering the lower fares do so in order to stimulate demand on routes that would otherwise not fill their premium cabins.
Your mention of $12K for QF business class implies to me you are comparing either SYD/MEL/BNE-LHR or SYD/MEL/BNE-USA. I am not aware of too many options for business class travel on those routes at the $5K mark, so struggle to follow the comment about "most other airlines". What is UA's published business class fare for BNE/SYD/MEL-LAX (hint - its more than $5)? What is SQ, CX, VS, MH, TG, EK publiched business class fare SYD/MEL/BNE-LHR (hint - its more than $5K)?
Yes, some of these airlines are cheaper than QF, and many offer equal or better products. But in my experience the difference in fare cost is not as much as implied in the initial post (42% of the QF fare).
And I have never paid $12K to Qantas for business class travel to those locations. I have always managed to find options to travel business class with Qantas for under $10K (plus taxes) on those routes.
As a comparison, here are some published business class fares from SYD to LHR:
I could not find the reported "most" airlines offering this route for under $5K.
Similarly for SYD-LAX, where I fund the following published fares:
Its interesting to note that the YY (IATA) fair for C class on this route is $12389, so anyone paying more than that for travel on an IATA airline is paying more than necessary.
And I cannot find any routes where QF charges $12K and most other airlines charge $5K. Can anyone point me to a route where this is the case as I would love to save 60% on business class airfares in a regular basis.
I took the fares straight from Expertflyer and looked for the lowest business class fare for each airline for travel in March and April. In most cases these were either D or C fares, in the case of BA it was an I fare, and for some like QF it was a J fare. I did not see a business class fare from TG for under $6,000, but that does not mean it cannot be purchased.Travel Guru said:With all due respect NM, i'm not too sure what published fares have to do with anything, being that most people deal with nett fares these days.
But as an aside, TG's Gross fare is not 13608, it is infact 5589, which puts PeteQLD closer to the mark than yourself.
Please post the fares that you have. I sourced all mine from the same source to provide what I thought was to be a fair comparision. If you have better number, please post them here so we can see the differences. I know our corporate fare for SYD-LAX is way less than $12K (a lot less, but not as low as $5K), but that is a corporate fare and not really a fare comparison.Travel Guru said:While you are on the mark with a few, SQ, VS, NZ, CX, TG, KE & JL are way off, and are 2/3 or a 1/2 of what quoted.
It is common in many markets for the "home" carrier to be the most expensive and for indirect carriers to offer more attractive pricing. For example, compare an LH fare ex-FRA to almost anywhere to a BA fare to the same point. BA will need to route via London and is likely significantly cheaper. However, do the same thing ex-London and BA will be dearer than LH who will route via FRA.Travel Guru said:There is no denying that Qantas is charging a premium, though its not that much higher than UA on the protected aus-us legs, in the end, as with everything in life, if someone says its too expensive, its never a case that, its always a case of you cant afford it.
Presume you mean LHR or LON for London and not LDH for Lord Howe IslandEvan said:For Europe there is so many other options out of Singapore/HongKong/Bangkok/etc but for US there is not as much choice. Std fare MEL-SIN-LDH-SIN-MEL is about $12k also and even with the competition they still sell.
PS. I wont pay too much of a premium but i will still always try to fly oneworld as thats my preference to build status and points only given the limited flying i do. Others will no doubt choose *A or Skywards for the same reason. But still a A* member for those trips that its unavoidable.
Since KLM doesnt fly to Australia you will be flying another airline, most likely MH Malaysian (although KLM fares ex NZ also allow connections on NZ so there may be transit points other than KUL allowed).PaulZ said:I note that KLM has some great business class airfares to Europe at the moment.
Cheap Discount Business Class Flights Worldwide
Doing a search for March/April Syd-Lhr and i can find flights for about $7,000.
I am actually looking at Melbourne - Milan in June/July and have found fares for less than $6000 return.
Has anyone flown with KLM? Is their Business Product of a good quality?
JAL also has some attractively priced fares at the moment as well: JL43 - Europe: Fare 01 From $5459 Excl Tax
LHR was what i was thinking... or rather Lord Howe was really what i was thinking as i have some holidays to burn soon and had it on the brain.Presume you mean LHR or LON for London and not LDH for Lord Howe Island
Evan - if you are flying one world in paid business or first to europe or north america on round trip fares ex-Oz, chances are you are paying a sizeable premium to some alternatives (even some with much better product).