Qantas Account: Notice of suspension

[SOPOOR]

the only customer who "suffered an account suspension" here appears to be someone who actively gamed the system to extract fraudulent points. There have been numerous posts from other members who from time to time make returns, but none of them appear to have suffered an account suspension.........

well until the OP comes back which they probably wont, we will never know

for example 10 yrs ago I booked a flight for my GF at the time of 4 yrs a trip overseas using my points with her,

however after I checked the T&Cs I paniced because I technically wasnt family, as we werent married,
but according to other people ,apparently it was highly unlikely it was going to be a problem,

but yeah I was panicking for a while , because I did break the T&Cs

 

[p--and--t]

I see that the "Frequent Flyer Gazette" referred to this thread. Not very well IMHO. Twice they refer to the need for Qantas to change to prevent the incorrect allocation of points, as though it is QF fault. NO! The points were credited correctly - it is the gaming of the system using the trick of returning goods after the points are credited that causes a problem.

I really believe that this thread is below what AFF should highlight. Does AFF really want to encourage this as a medium for people to swap ideas and experience as to how to defraud companies??

Juddles Really!!!!

I guess AFF should then stop for example all discussion on credit card points deals and how users move banks and then back again after 12 months to "game" the system. Or perhaps we should stop discussion on how breaking a flight into 2 sectors gains more status credits.

Qantas designed the portal and set up the terms with its suppliers
Qantas set the rules
Qantas set the rewards process
A customer using the system legally within the set down rules is perfectly entitled to do so
If Qantas or its suppliers are unhappy they left a loophole, then perhaps they should close it.

There would be few people of this site not looking to gain an advantage in more ff points, better seating, higher status by using the systems as designed. Is everyone on the site out of line because they are "gaming" the system

 

[juddles]

well until the OP comes back which they probably wont, we will never know

for example 10 yrs ago I booked a flight for my GF at the time of 4 yrs a trip overseas using my points with her,

however after I checked the T&Cs I paniced because I technically wasnt family, as we werent married,
but according to other people ,apparently it was highly unlikely it was going to be a problem,

but yeah I was panicking for a while , because I did break the T&Cs

totally different - you were honest.

I doubt the OP will be back here - they have probably learnt that many AFF members (hopefully most) are not here to do immoral stuff...

 

[juddles]

Juddles Really!!!!....

I agree that things get grey - I love to learn cheap ways of getting from A to B, etc. But this thread is about something that in my opinion is much more simply wrong. Buy something online, wait till you get points, then return it. The whole exercise to get free points.

This is, in my belief, totally wrong. It is an exercise totally and complete dishonest and premeditated. It is not a glitch on the part of QF. It is abusing their system to manipulate a situation where you get free points. It REEKS of dishonesty.

The comparison with credit card deals is not correct. here the transaction is designed to scam points where they are not actually intended by the program.

 

[MrJetset]

Amazing how many people here just don't understand the concept of online shopping and think the consumer should be punished for returns.

Guess they still go to the Bank with a physical book and pay their bills at Australia Post

Everyone from the Iconic, Gucci and Armani offer free returns because it's in their interest. Gucci even offer $25 same day delivery in CBD metro areas.

 

[TheInsider]

Amazing how many people here just don't understand the concept of online shopping and think the consumer should be punished for returns.

I don't think you understand the point of using this tactic to rort the system for the points. Especially with zero intention of purchasing the product.

 

[mannej]

well until the OP comes back which they probably wont, we will never know

for example 10 yrs ago I booked a flight for my GF at the time of 4 yrs a trip overseas using my points with her,

however after I checked the T&Cs I paniced because I technically wasnt family, as we werent married,
but according to other people ,apparently it was highly unlikely it was going to be a problem,

but yeah I was panicking for a while , because I did break the T&Cs

How is this relevant to the OP

 

[burmans]

I don't think you understand the point of using this tactic to rort the system for the points.

I think he might actually, the equal argument might be that you (and others to be fair) don't seem to get the point that for most they may have totally legitimate reasons to do this. There is limited evidence to suggest whether this was or wasn't the intent of the OP, and there seems to be far too many (on both sides of the argument) who regard their conjecture as some sort of proof.

 

[MrJetset]

I don't think you understand the point of using this tactic to rort the system for the points. Especially with zero intention of purchasing the product.

Don't conflate two separate issues. If you scroll back you'll see I said he must have been doing it with tens of thousands of dollars of purchases and with the intention to rort.

My latest comment refers to the other commenters.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I can see Qantas bringing in a rule that points will only be issued after the return period closes ( as some have noted here up to 100 days) .. This would close the loophole

That all depends on the business model QF has with the stores. If the stores pay QF up front for the points, why would QF care when the goods are returned? They've made their money. It's the store owner losing out.

If QF pays out the points by skimming a percentage of the sale price, which is later reversed, I guess they might care.

 

[serfty]

Hmmm ... the OP has a new avatar!

 

[DC3]

Hmmm ... the OP has a new avatar!

Maybe the QFF account has been re-activated.

 

[JohnK]

Guess they still go to the Bank with a physical book and pay their bills at Australia Post

And what is wrong with using a physical passbook and paying bills at Australia Post? Not everyone cares about chasing points. Some don't have a credit card or even ATM account at the bank. They withdraw their money at the branch and buy things they need.

Also regarding online shopping what is the attraction? Convenience? Perhaps it is convenient if you are buying the same things all the time. Personally I don't find online shopping convenient at all. I want to see what I am buying.

 

[opusman]

And what is wrong with using a physical passbook and paying bills at Australia Post?

Nothing, unless you're the guy who actually has something to post standing behind 20 people in the queue all paying their bills.

 

[SOPOOR]

Nothing, unless you're the guy who actually has something to post standing behind 20 people in the queue all paying their bills.

You should be posting your item via online pick up or putting it directly into the post box

Why aren't they allowed to pay bills at post office?

 

[opusman]

Why aren't they allowed to pay bills at post office?

The clue's in the name.

 

[burmans]

Why aren't they allowed to pay bills at post office?

They are allowed, that's the issue if you actually have something to do in relation to actually posting things (e.g. buying stamps etc.). Of course you CAN do these things at a Post Office, what is being questioned here is why would you when there are simpler and easier ways to do so?

PS. Do people really use passbooks these days, I thought the banks had done away with these?

 

[Pushka]

Nothing, unless you're the guy who actually has something to post standing behind 20 people in the queue all paying their bills.

Oh, just don’t get me started on that

You should be posting your item via online pick up or putting it directly into the post box

Gotta have stamps to do that. Hence the issue.

It’s kinda silly. You are suggesting that People should post stuff via online because there is a queue in the post office for people paying unrelated Postal Bills who could do the same thing online but don’t?

And why do people line up for an hour to pay their car registration?
Do banks even have passbooks these days?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Oh, just don’t get me started on that

Gotta have stamps to do that. Hence the issue.

It’s kinda silly. People should post stuff via online because there is a queue in the post office for people paying unrelated Postal Bills who could do the same thing online but don’t?

And why do people line up for an hour to pay their car registration?
Do banks even have passbooks these days?

Why don't people just use this? We do all the time for bills that are no direct debit from CC.

Pay a bill (Post Billpay)

 

[Pushka]

Why don't people just use this? We do all the time for bills that are no direct debit from CC.

Pay a bill (Post Billpay)

Trouble is that gives people the idea to go to Post Offices to pay.