Push to add $30 climate fee to domestic flights

[JohnK]

Why do "I" then have to pay for an "offset" when I choose to fly??

Because we are easy targets. You want to continue to fly then cough up an extra $30.

OT but In a slightly similar situation I own IAG shares and I would like to know why part of my dividends are being withheld to pay for the HIH collapse. What does me owning shares in IAG have anything to do with the collapse of HIH?

 

[oz_mark]

And the "Aircraft Maintenance Levy", the "Aircraft Cleaning Surcharge" and the "Tyre Recycling Program Tax" are added to the list.

Gas bills in Perth now come with an "energy safety levy", so this levy stuff is spreading far and wide.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

similarly power bills in NZ

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

OT but In a slightly similar situation I own IAG shares and I would like to know why part of my dividends are being withheld to pay for the HIH collapse. What does me owning shares in IAG have anything to do with the collapse of HIH?

IAG benefitted from HIH collapse, and as consumer you benefit in having a stronger insurance market, etc, etc.

 

[simongr]

At least now you know your energy is safe - just think of the risks you were facing before with no money being put aside to protect you!

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

At least now you know your energy is safe - just think of the risks you were facing before with no money being put aside to protect you!

You've been hanging around marketers/politicians too long. Pull out, fast.

 

[simongr]

Thats what comes of being sat in F

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

or the highest cabin on the aircraft for that matter (shudder)

 

[rhjames]

I have a problem with this. As far as I can see, there is some evidence of a temperature increase of 0.8 degC over the past 127 years, although satellite measurements indicate no increase in recent years. My study of data over the past 100 years has trouble detecting any significant change. eg http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/barrett_ee05.pdf

Even if there is a change in climate, I can't see any evidence that human activity contributes. The concept that changes in a minor greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (0.03 - 0.04% of air) will effect climate more than other contributions (eg solar activity) seems very remote, and is only an hypothesis.

I might add that this isn't just my opinion. Anyone who has researched this would know of the scientific support for doubting climate change.

I'm all for reducing emissions, but paying a climate tax is money for the wrong reasons.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I might add that this isn't just my opinion. Anyone who has researched this would know of the scientific support for doubting climate change.

While scientific community is not unanimous (and never will be), the overwhelming consensus is that climate change is real, and that human activity is likely contributing (latest IPCC puts at least 90% probability on this).

What is less clear, at the moment, is whether we are headed for a tipping point beyond which there is no easy return and if so where is that point? At some point in time Venus went past a tipping point and now much much hotter than you'd expect for its distance from the sun. Earth isn't in the same position as Venus, but it illustrates that such a tipping point is indeed possible.

 

[rhjames]

While scientific community is not unanimous (and never will be), the overwhelming consensus is that climate change is real, and that human activity is likely contributing (latest IPCC puts at least 90% probability on this).

Why don't we just do what they did in the Warm Period between 800 to 1,300A.D., which was hotter that the 20th century. Perhaps they introduced a climate tax on flying then. Perhaps they had more industrial activity then. Do you see why I have problems? But then I'm going on scientific data, not political advantages which started this whole thing off.

 

[clifford]

At least now you know your energy is safe - just think of the risks you were facing before with no money being put aside to protect you!

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canberra.yourguide.com.au

 

[Reggie]

From The Qantas Advisory Panel Team

"Dear Reggie,

In recent years there has been an increase in public awareness and concern for environmental issues, such as climate change.

Qantas is interested to hear your views on global environment issues and we would appreciate if you could spare the time to complete this short survey.

This survey gives you the opportunity to provide input into Qantas' future environmental projects. This questionnaire should only take you 7 minutes to complete and will be available to complete until the 6 June 2007."

The questions were aimed around a voluntary contribution

 

[Gazza]

Just got “surveyed” by Qantas on (amongst other things how I would like to “pay” a “carbon offset charge”).

Made my feelings (negative) known

Without getting into the Science (and general hysteria). I can’t understand why they are targeting people who travel on a very efficient form of public transport. Imagine the impact generated by a convoy of 50 falcons travelling from Brisbane to Sydney vs the impact of 1 737.

Gazza

 

[Reggie]

Just got “surveyed” by Qantas on (amongst other things how I would like to “pay” a “carbon offset charge”).

Made my feelings (negative) known

Without getting into the Science (and general hysteria). I can’t understand why they are targeting people who travel on a very efficient form of public transport. Imagine the impact generated by a convoy of 50 falcons travelling from Brisbane to Sydney vs the impact of 1 737.

Gazza

So did you choose paying by $ or FF Points?

 

[rhjames]

So did you choose paying by $ or FF Points?

I chose $, but should have been FF points - I have over a million and can't find available flights to use them on!!

 

[simongr]

Actually quite an annoying survey. WHen I said I wouldnt contribute to the scheme it still asked me how I wantde to contribute...

 

[Reggie]

Actually quite an annoying survey. WHen I said I wouldnt contribute to the scheme it still asked me how I wantde to contribute...

It did the same for me. The questions were written by someone who has already made there mind u there will be one, now working in what form, and how much they can get away with charging.

 

[Mal]

Qantas should just follow DJ and implement an optional "write off your carbon excesses" addition on tickets. Points or $, I don't really care

Then both Qantas and Virgin will show the government that they are doing something - and that will hopefully put less pressure on a mandatory "tax".

My (offtopic) and personal beliefs are that we are going through a weather cycle that is increasing temperatures. I don't think it is directly related to our creation of carbon emissions but accept that they have a minor influence on weather patterns. I'm more concerned about the earth running out of oil than the increase in temperature.

 

[Soundguy]

Pure socialism; now they demand we pay money as an offering to their false earth god. Warming? It's the sun, stupid!

This is why I don't support the Australian media - no TV, radio or newspapers for me - the tripe they peddal ends up costing us. Thankfully I mostly work for the media so I get to charge them back.

Besides I like it warm & would prefer it to be warmer most of the time; quite apart from the facts that modern air travel is much more energy efficient than driving a car and that the BOM's own official data shows there has been no statistically measurable warming in Australia. A good source of cold, hard facts here: Gust Of Hot Air