Public Transport to our airports - what's cheapest?

Meanwhile, I did look at the famed 901 bus when I arrived a few weeks ago on a Saturday evening. I mean it works so so well. It run's every half hour, the train runs every half hour and the schedules are coordinated so well, that the transition to the train is entirely stress free, you get 23 minutes to make that connection from bus to train. Wonderful! 🤷‍♂️
It depends on the time of day, the schedules vary. (I won't do Broady after dark)

"Heterodyning" makes some connections better than others.

Optimum is ~6 minutes scheduled train to bus.
 
What city with at least 5million has a train line to airport

Sydney
Tokyo
London
Frankfurt
Singapore
Fill in the blank

So, I was curious to answer this question a bit more in-depth. I started with the Wikipedia page on cities of 5 million or more (which FWIW didn't include Frankfurt, Sydney, or Melbourne - though I added Sydney and Melbourne for my data). Then I researched whether there was an airport train and arbitrarily chose 30 minutes as the cutoff for an express or fast train, with > 30 minutes listed as local train. I also included a separate "Bus Shuttle" category because some airports tout this as a train connection but I find a poor cousin. Note that some cities have multiple categories either due to multiple airports, or multiple train options fitting into different categories.

The data is here: Airport Trains by City Size (Google Sheets)

I also categorised it by region (somewhat arbitrarily) with the following summary data

RegionExpress TrainLocal TrainBus ShuttleNo TrainTotal%with train
Africa1007812.5%
East Asia718032588.0%
Europe4421785.7%
Latin America0217922.2%
Middle East0102333.3%
North America55221080.0%
Oceania1001250.0%
South Asia13191225.0%
Southeast Asia1303757.1%
Grand Total20366358357.8%

As might be expected, developing areas such as Africa, Latin America, and South Asia have fewer trains, and East Asia leads. What's surprising is how high North America is, with almost as many express trains as East Asia, despite only 10 cities compared to East Asia's 25. I did notice that while most Chinese cities and many other places are connected by subway/local train, these are often slow with many stops, and are typically supplemented by express buses and taxis for many travellers.

I also note that the list under-represents Europe, probably because definitions of metro areas aren't quite as broad, i.e. Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and The Hague are all separate but a Japanese or Chinese megacity would cover the same land area and be counted as one in the list. Similarly, Frankfurt metro only has 785,000 but the catchment area of FRA airport it would be way larger due to many other populous cities nearby.

TODO: update the doc with the actual subject line here, by adding in fares (and perhaps research the journey time more precisely). I welcome any comments or suggestions.
 
Rather than by City, another comparison would be busiest airports by passenger numbers and whether they have an airport link, as in the case of London, all 5 airports have rail access hence skewing of the numbers.
 
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Rather than by City, another comparison would be busiest airports by passenger numbers and whether they have an airport link, as in the case of London, all 5 airports have rail access hence skewing of the numbers.
LTN gets the bus shuttle category though. The others do have links to the terminals, and as pointed out for LHR, could be multiple forms.

When I get a chance I'll add the by-airport method you suggest, maybe I'll try to use O&D passenger numbers only since that's what matters for this question of ground transportation. But I was addressing the specific discussion which was about size of the city.
 
LTN gets the bus shuttle category though. The others do have links to the terminals, and as pointed out for LHR, could be multiple forms.

When I get a chance I'll add the by-airport method you suggest, maybe I'll try to use O&D passenger numbers only since that's what matters for this question of ground transportation. But I was addressing the specific discussion which was about size of the city.

LTN has recently upgraded to a driverless rail shuttle, no more bus!
 
Also City size is questionable - did you use Sydney City or Greater Sydney?

From my pov the time is only relevant when relative to alternative ways of getting form airport to the city. If train takes 35 mins (which is not good enough according to your criteria) I don't agree this says no good public transport especially if a taxi might take 60 mins in traffic for the same journey.

Many cities place their airports a long way out of the destination they serve. For me ease of use and cost just a big a consideration as 5 or 10 mins difference in commute time. In fact where there is a regular train like at JFK or SFO providing low cost commute, Id take that over paying a huge premium for an express for the sake of 10 mins. I always take the regular tube Piccadilly line to/from LHR; never saw the cost benefit for the Heathrow Express since you still end up having to transfer to a regular tube line to get to your hotel which negates most of the time savings.
 
Also City size is questionable - did you use Sydney City or Greater Sydney?
Yes, definitely questionable but of course I used the metro areas, nothing else would be comparable. But these don't necessarily match airport catchments as noted above. See the Wikipedia article for a fuller discussion of this topic, I defer to their editors on making it as comparable as possible (but as I noted it weights it against European locations) - Wikipedia - List of largest cities

From my pov the time is only relevant when relative to alternative ways of getting form airport to the city. If train takes 35 mins (which is not good enough according to your criteria) I don't agree this says no good public transport especially if a taxi might take 60 mins in traffic for the same journey.

I didn't say it was not good enough, my numbers count both the express and "local" options as having rail transport. When you're trying to summarize data like this you have to choose some cut-off. Obviously every individual situation is different; the Stanstead Express takes 50 minutes but is surely preferable to taxi or bus if you're close to Liverpool St station, for example. But on the opposite perspective, the MRT at Singapore takes almost an hour (depending on destination) whereas taxis are around 20-25 minutes.

Many cities place their airports a long way out of the destination they serve. For me ease of use and cost just a big a consideration as 5 or 10 mins difference in commute time. In fact where there is a regular train like at JFK or SFO providing low cost commute, Id take that over paying a huge premium for an express for the sake of 10 mins.

Understand, that's why a further revision to this data would be to include both cost and journey time data, and maybe a comparable taxi or express bus journey time.

I always take the regular tube Piccadilly line to/from LHR; never saw the cost benefit for the Heathrow Express since you still end up having to transfer to a regular tube line to get to your hotel which negates most of the time savings.
The Heathrow Express is quite useful for those who plan to taxi to Paddington Station, as well as those changing from other train lines there.
 
From my pov the time is only relevant when relative to alternative ways of getting form airport to the city. If train takes 35 mins (which is not good enough according to your criteria) I don't agree this says no good public transport especially if a taxi might take 60 mins in traffic for the same journey.
So just did PT to SEA and from JFK. First time for both.

SEA has the Link light rail. US$2.25 from Downtown to SeaTac. About 40-45 mins depending on where you get on. Uber was US$60+. Lyft $45 to $50.

Reasonably painless (even though it was an OMG its early departure). Fortunately, our AurBnB was very close to Capitol Hill station.

Seattle Orca cards are US$3 (like a Myki) but free virtual wallet version coming.

JFK Airtrain is now US$8.25 + $1 for the reusable metro card plus subway $2.75 to downtown. You can now tap your phone or chip card. NYC subway is as luggage unfriendly as ever…
 
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JFK Airtrain is now US$8.25 + $1 for the reusable metro card plus subway $2.75 to downtown. You can can now tap your phone or chip card.
The tap and go is great no more worrying about credit left on a merto card.

NYC subway is as luggage unfriendly as ever…

It amazes me how many NYC subway and London Underground stations still have no lifts (or even escalators), not only a pain for luggage but also for anyone with a disability.

Most subway stations do have a wider gate to get through with luggage; and ive been lucky usually someone offers to help carry my case up/down stairs at Delancy/Essex when the one escalator isnt running or is running the wrong direction. Howard beach is luggage friendly with lifts and escalators.

But last trip because I had a 3rd bag I just took the fixed price cab and the quick 20min commute that one gets following a 1pm arrival.
 
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But last trip because I had a 3rd bag I just took the fixed price cab and quick 20min commute that one gets following a at 1pm arrival.
If I had my choice, I’d fly into LGA and taxi/Uber.
 
Oh, really? First time I went to the new airport, there wasn’t even a proper road out to it. Some goat track from town. Then a freeway but that was to/from Thessaloniki?
 
Oh, really? First time I went to the new airport, there wasn’t even a proper road out to it. Some goat track from town. Then a freeway but that was to/from Thessaloniki?
Going by the following it is not frequent ...

 
An extension of the 59 tram would be a fairly easy option but the problem is that the route shares the road with other traffic for much of the trip. It could be an option, perhaps, for airport workers but there would be a problem accommodating both airport passengers and the heavy commuter traffic on the inner section of the 59.

I have used the Dallas light rail and that would be an ideal concept for Melbourne - but on a separate alignment to the route 59 tram.

As others have stated, the Skybus is a good option and the high fares (not being part of the Victorian public transport network) are comparable to the additional charges to use the airport lines in Sydney and Brisbane.

Perth has the best idea; the relatively new airport line is part of the public transport network with normal fares charged.
 
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Supposedly the Vic govt wants to bring some sort of rail to Tulla.
Looks like it will be elevated.
Time frame of at least 5 years, to 10 years.
Will probably have a gate fee, and the Skybus operator will raise fare to cover less travelling public on their services, if the airport train turns out to be popular.
If they put their mind to it, and it would cost many millions, they could use the bore tunnel method to bring rail to Tulla.
NSW govt did it, though at a PPP, and we are still paying for it now.
WSAirport will have a driverless system, and it will be a shuttle of train, 6 stations to link to a heavy rail station, then share the normal train with other plebs too.
Wonder if there will be a "gate fee" for it too.
Now sure if there is any much gain, as we still have to share that SYD airport to city trip with other plebs, not to mention the "gate fee".
Qld govt has the right idea, at least some trains to the airport has got luggage racks, and no double deckers trains.
SA govt has the best idea, regular bus, not much space on board, also share the bus with plebs, but cheaps, and you can easily buy tix at the covered booth, from using the bus from the airport, at some times of the day, its quite popular with incoming and outgoing flyers.
 
It's a very bad idea anyway as they have designed it wrong.

Bad route choice and will take longer than a car from the CBD

Should be a direct tunnel from the CBD to the airport and take about 15 minutes

Instead will take 30 minutes and you can drive it in 20 minutes in most cases or 35 minutes from the top end of the CBD
Depending on the "gate fee" for the new line to MEL Tullamarine (when it starts operating), is would it still be worth it for someone to rent a car from Tulla, to drive to the city, and having to pay the toll road charges.
Train taking a long time, is one thing, but for people who do not have a driving licence *(pointing at myself)*, its either the train (when ever that starts), or the PTV buses to Broady, and the train to the city, or the direct train, (one day, eh).
 
Cost me $3.53 to get to Sydney domestic airport yesterday (off peak) from my home....took train to Mascot station then the bus to the airport...took about 15 mins longer than taking the train straight to the airport but I saved $15.74 from the ridiculously high airport station gate fee....the State government needs to get rid of this gate fee!
 
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Cost me $3.53 to get to Sydney domestic airport yesterday (off peak) from my home....took train to Mascot station then the bus to the airport...took about 15 mins longer than taking the train straight to the airport but I saved $15.74 from the ridiculously high airport station gate fee....the State government needs to get rid of this gate fee!
Wait until you get your Gold Opal - it will only be half that!
 
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