Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[MooTime]

I simply can't see how so many have an issue with the pm going to a pub or popping into some town.
Geewizz, imagine if we could travel OS & home quarantine, what do you think would be the compliance rate? What I'm saying is it's ok for so many of us to rouse the rules, but the PM doing a cheeky wide berth & some/many want him hung.
Yeah lead by example, I don't but that one either.

But of course everybody will claim they'll follow the rules, yeah right!

Oh well each to their own I guess.

 

[mviy]

But of course everybody will claim they'll follow the rules, yeah right!

A significant bond paid prior to departure that is forfeited if you break the rules would help to address that. There would still be some exceptions who still break the rules, but if you are targeting suppression they should be reduced to acceptable numbers.

 

[Flashback]

A significant bond paid prior to departure that is forfeited if you break the rules would help to address that. There would still be some exceptions who still break the rules, but if you are targeting suppression they should be reduced to acceptable numbers.

I can see how well that would work given they're struggling to even issue timely invoices for those that do stay in HQ.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Meanwhile 8 cases in Victoria quarantine today. Some of the reactions from the Age comments section below. And some think pictures of people partying in Europe is going to have an effect on public opinion! Well such pictures might … in reinforcing the idea that restrictions remain …

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First I heard about this was on the news tonight. My thoughts echo the comments... a number of cases today tested positive on 'day zero' of quarantine. How is that possible if people are getting a negative PCR test prior to travel and strictly following all safety requirements? Do people just not care? Our PM presumably managed his trip without getting covid*... why can't everyone else do the same?

*subject to another 12 or so days I guess!

 

[louie-m]

But of course everybody will claim they'll follow the rules, yeah right!

Other countries manage technological ways of ensuring compliance - tagging and similar. This article is over a year old - I Was Quarantined at Home in Hong Kong and Wore a Tracking Wristband - and that technology seems to have worked as it is still in use - COVID-19 Thematic Website - Together, We Fight the Virus - “StayHomeSafe” Mobile App User Guide.

No reason why we couldn't do the same.

 

[louie-m]

First I heard about this was on the news tonight. My thoughts echo the comments... a number of cases today tested positive on 'day zero' of quarantine. How is that possible if people are getting a negative PCR test prior to travel and strictly following all safety requirements? Do people just not care? Our PM presumably managed his trip without getting covid*... why can't everyone else do the same?

*subject to another 12 or so days I guess!

You really think people are choosing to get Covid?

The current NSW outbreak shows just passing someone can lead to infection if you are unlucky enough to encounter someone particularly infectious.

 

[MooTime]

Other countries manage technological ways of ensuring compliance - tagging and similar. This article is over a year old - I Was Quarantined at Home in Hong Kong and Wore a Tracking Wristband

No reason why we couldn't do the same.

Like the idea & I wouldn't have a problem personally, but there's no way ppl in this country would accept being tagged &/or mobile app would have zero chance of being user friendly & working efficiently alas each state have their own version.

 

[bcworld]

I simply can't see how so many have an issue with the pm going to a pub or popping into some town.

The issue is he stepped off the plane in the UK...was immediately asked a question about what level of vaccination might allow Australians to travel again, and couldn't / wouldn't give an answer. He justified that by pointing out that despite being way ahead in vaccination, the UK is still riddled with COVID and increasingly so. Nekminnit, he's hanging out with the staff at the pub, no masks, no social distancing. He basically trolled a whole group of people who are desperate to know when they might be able to travel. Ordinarily I would find these kinds of criticisms petty, but given the circumstances and his comments I believe that outside of his G7 engagements he should've been bunkered down with his covid free entourage.

 

[ayushamity]

Well a bit of good news...had a long consultation with migration agents to discuss the best solution for my situation and while it was established that there is no way my fiance can get an inbound exemption to come to Australia, it should be very easy for me to get an outbound exemption to leave Australia based on compelling reason to leave (reunite with partner) and the fact that I can show quit my job, sufficient funds to stay overseas for a long time etc.

So now the wait goes to waiting for other countries to open borders.

 

[trevella]

Well a bit of good news...had a long consultation with migration agents to discuss the best solution for my situation and while it was established that there is no way my fiance can get an inbound exemption to come to Australia, it should be very easy for me to get an outbound exemption to leave Australia based on compelling reason to leave (reunite with partner) and the fact that I can show quit my job, sufficient funds to stay overseas for a long time etc.

So now the wait goes to waiting for other countries to open borders.

I would just say that perhaps the least trustworthy category of people I’ve come across after politicians would be migration lawyers.

You’ll probably find countries opening up at similar times in the end. But if you can afford to quit your job, more power to you.

 

[ayushamity]

You’ll probably find countries opening up at similar times in the end. But if you can afford to quit your job, more power to you.

Most countries would open by end of 2021 I think as they reach herd immunity. But we know Australia will be closed tll mid next year because of the election.

Yeh I feel lucky I can quit my job and go overseas for an extended period of time. Quitting your job is actually a pretty important element for outbound exemptions.

Not all migration agents are bad though. The one I used for partner visa - They did a stellar job. Got visa approved in 9 months when processing times are like 15 month plus

 

[louie-m]

Like the idea & I wouldn't have a problem personally, but there's no way ppl in this country would accept being tagged &/or mobile app would have zero chance of being user friendly & working efficiently alas each state have their own version.

I'm not suggesting it should be compulsory. Give people the choice of hotel quarantine or home quarantine+tag. I know which I would prefer....

 

[N860CR]

Well a bit of good news...had a long consultation with migration agents to discuss the best solution for my situation and while it was established that there is no way my fiance can get an inbound exemption to come to Australia, it should be very easy for me to get an outbound exemption to leave Australia based on compelling reason to leave (reunite with partner) and the fact that I can show quit my job, sufficient funds to stay overseas for a long time etc.

But should you have to? We’re literally at a point where you need to throw your career away to be able to leave the country? Absolute disgrace to Australia.

 

[hb13]

But should you have to? We’re literally at a point where you need to throw your career away to be able to leave the country? Absolute disgrace to Australia.

Completely agree. The rules in place are a disgrace and are forcing people to make life-altering decisions constantly. And we are a year and a half in.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well a bit of good news...had a long consultation with migration agents to discuss the best solution for my situation and while it was established that there is no way my fiance can get an inbound exemption to come to Australia, it should be very easy for me to get an outbound exemption to leave Australia based on compelling reason to leave (reunite with partner) and the fact that I can show quit my job, sufficient funds to stay overseas for a long time etc.

So now the wait goes to waiting for other countries to open borders.

And always the 'NZ' option. Fly to NZ (no exemption required) and from NZ you are free to travel anywhere.

 

[ayushamity]

Just as an FYI - I am part of a larger group of people who have engaged a few journalists in Australia and the UK and are creating a video montage of people in my situation and are taking it to the international media outlets to highlight the cruelty of these border closures.

Preliminary reactions and feedback received is that the US is aghast at the border closures and the prison island we have become.

Also, Researchers from Flinders University and the South Australian Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI) are conducting a survey to understand the effects of Australia's COVID-19 international border closure on mental health and wellbeing.

The survey below takes 30 min and is designed to put political pressure on the government (I know it will not work but still). If you have time, please feel free to response.

https://qualtrics.flinders.edu.au/.../SV_6tcJNMWxzKWPkhg

 

[roogirl]

Just as an FYI - I am part of a larger group of people who have engaged a few journalists in Australia and the UK and are creating a video montage of people in my situation and are taking it to the international media outlets to highlight the cruelty of these border closures.

Preliminary reactions and feedback received is that the US is aghast at the border closures and the prison island we have become.

Also, Researchers from Flinders University and the South Australian Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI) are conducting a survey to understand the effects of Australia's COVID-19 international border closure on mental health and wellbeing.

The survey below takes 30 min and is designed to put political pressure on the government (I know it will not work but still). If you have time, please feel free to response.

https://qualtrics.flinders.edu.au/.../SV_6tcJNMWxzKWPkhg

Good for you. Have been waiting for this to happen. Was reading about that poor chap who flew from Belgium to be with his dying mum in Perth - ofc couldn’t fly straight into WA so flew into melbourne and then got stuck wrangling between the various authorities and she died while he was sitting, fully vaccinated, in a hotel room in melbourne. The comments below were eye popping - “well imagine if they’d let him on a plane to Perth and he’d given someone covid”, “we all have to make sacrifices in a pandemic”. NO! How about if it was possible to fly directly to Perth then he would have? And if that’s not available it’s actually on the government to figure out a compassionate approach that actually works.

am beyond disgusted with australia - both the government(s) but also a big chunk of the population. What a miserable, selfish, unempathetic people we turn out to be.

 

[N860CR]

What a miserable, selfish, unempathetic people we turn out to be.

In fairness, that’s an opinion that I’ve generally always had about Australians in general. The pandemic has just cemented it. And proven that most of us also aren’t overly intelligent.

 

[dajop]

. NO! How about if it was possible to fly directly to Perth then he would have? And if that’s not available it’s actually on the government to figure out a compassionate approach that actually works.

Absolutely agree 100% on this.

This rubbish should have been well and truly sorted. It’s been 12 months since caps were enacted. There should be mechanisms to allow this sort of emergency compassionate travel. The caps are not an exact science - I am sure there are always more rooms available than needed. Whilst there are exact caps on passenger numbers, but that does not directly translate into the number rooms of needed. How do they know for example which people are going to need one room between two and which will need two rooms.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Just as an FYI - I am part of a larger group of people who have engaged a few journalists in Australia and the UK and are creating a video montage of people in my situation and are taking it to the international media outlets to highlight the cruelty of these border closures.

Preliminary reactions and feedback received is that the US is aghast at the border closures and the prison island we have become.

Also, Researchers from Flinders University and the South Australian Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI) are conducting a survey to understand the effects of Australia's COVID-19 international border closure on mental health and wellbeing.

The survey below takes 30 min and is designed to put political pressure on the government (I know it will not work but still). If you have time, please feel free to response.

https://qualtrics.flinders.edu.au/.../SV_6tcJNMWxzKWPkhg

I haven't seen the survey, but if - as you say - it is *designed* to put political pressure on the government, my initial thought is that the survey would be dismissed on grounds of bias.

I don't think that's helpful in the long run to anyone!