Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I believe the Pfizer vaccine is being delivered at the rate of 1 million doses per month so at some stage well before the 5 million mark is passed there will be both vaccines available.

I just hope they don’t stuff up the roll out by for example administering too many on the first dose without having in hand (on shore and in storage) the second same dose.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

in regard to Oxf vs pzfi

Most people in Australia likely to get AstraZeneca COVID vaccine rather than Pfizer shot

While the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine will likely be the first to get approval in Australia, most of us will end up receiving the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot, Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly says.

www.abc.net.au

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

AT least one. Probably mid-year before we get a solid indication of what effect mass vaccinations are having.

My layman opinion is at least 6 months to see how our dominant vaccine (Oxford) fairs in countries with higher numbers of covid cases - how it impacts on spread, severity, etc

 

[DC3]

I just hope they don’t stuff up the roll out by for example administering too many on the first dose without having in hand (on shore and in storage) the second same dose.

Just get it out there, into arms. No holding back.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Just get it out there, into arms. No holding back.

Actually no. Unlike other emergency countries, it would be the better path to follow the recommended dosage at the recommended intervals.

No half dose, no coughtail dosages, no delayed dose.

 

[DC3]

.. No half dose, no coughtail dosages, no delayed dose.

Of course.

Edit: My point about getting it out there, into people’s arms, was that leaving bottles “on the shelf” (second doses) seems a waste, when we should be using it as part of the initial roll-out

 

[RAM]

Big Pharma as a whole, and individually is not known for its high ethical standards. More for its large political donations.

For example it was the 2nd largest donor to one recent president's campaign who coincidentally made it a criminal offense to reveal what price was paid for any item used by any type of medical business/operation. Even the cost of a pen. It was the third piece of legislation he put through.

This is a good summary of the top fines imposed:

List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd prefer the Oxford A-Z as I also do not trust Pfizer one little bit.

With regards to the Qld vaccine causing false HIV positive tests, that might be an issue if one was seeking life insurance down the track. Probably not applicable to those of us older, but for many younger ones it could cause significant issues as insurance companies are not known to apply logic to a situation.

There is quite a good (honest) site that tries to list all violations/fines.

Pfizer for example is shown by it as having total fines imposed since 2000 are around USD 4.7 billion including USD 3,400 million for making false claims.

pfizer | Violation Tracker

Violation Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.

violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org

Astra Zeneca also has an extensive track record for breaking the law/misleading/deceiving about its products. Total fines imposed since 2000 are around USD 1.1 billion including USD 500 million for making false claims.

astrazeneca | Violation Tracker

Violation Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.

violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org

Pretty much every Big Pharma company has been caught & eventually fined between hundreds of millions to billions just in the period since 2000. For some reason no senior executive (that I've seen) has ever gone to jail though.

 

[kpc]

AT least one. Probably mid-year before we get a solid indication of what effect mass vaccinations are having.

The way certain state governments are posturing, I fear that the vaccine will not make a big difference to state border closures, and this will indirectly and directly affect international border openings. I have already resigned myself to no OS travel in 2021 but I'm starting to fear 2022 as well. Call me a pessimist

 

[DC3]

The way certain state governments are posturing, I fear that the vaccine will not make a big difference to state border closures, and this will indirectly and directly affect international border openings. I have already resigned myself to no OS travel in 2021 but I'm starting to fear 2022 as well. Call me a pessimist

Perhaps an optimist in waiting.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

For example it was the 2nd largest donor to one recent president's campaign who coincidentally made it a criminal offense to reveal what price was paid for any item used by any type of medical business/operation. Even the cost of a pen. It was the third piece of legislation he put through.

I can't find anything on this... I've looked through all Presidential Executive Orders and law/legislation.

 

[hb13]

AT least one. Probably mid-year before we get a solid indication of what effect mass vaccinations are having.

I'd say the extension will last till Q2 2022.

 

[DC3]

I can't find anything on this... I've looked through all Presidential Executive Orders and law/legislation.

Even so, it fits the pattern.

 

[DC3]

AT least one. Probably mid-year before we get a solid indication of what effect mass vaccinations are having.

Sounds good. Maybe mid-2021.

 

[NM]

I will be happy to go with the Oxford vaccine.
Pfizer have always been the master of spin.

Don't Pfizer make cough? Surely a company that can make a product that can raise the dead can also make one that protects the living ?

 

[jb747]

Given that WA has eliminated CV, then surely they won’t need any of the vaccine. So that should make it go a bit further in NSW and Vic.

And I was looking forward to the Pfizer vaccine. Haven’t they mixed it with their blue product?

 

[kpc]

More doom and gloom predicted: COVID-19 NSW, Vic, Qld live updates: Brisbane lockdown, Sydney cluster, border closues

 

[DC3]

More doom and gloom predicted: COVID-19 NSW, Vic, Qld live updates: Brisbane lockdown, Sydney cluster, border closues

Another infectious diseases expert getting attention.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

More doom and gloom predicted: COVID-19 NSW, Vic, Qld live updates: Brisbane lockdown, Sydney cluster, border closues

I'm not too worried about that! No one is talking about 'elimination' or '100% prevention' with the vaccines. We are talking about reduction in severity. That's the key, which Prof Collignon seems to be ignoring (or was misquoted, which is also possible).

On 16 August 2020 Prof Collignon said:

Australia will not have a coronavirus vaccine for at least a year and producing one before then could do 'more harm than good', a top disease expert has warned.​

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source: Australia will not have a coronavirus vaccine for at least a year​

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[DC3]

Don't Pfizer make cough? Surely a company that can make a product that can raise the dead can also make one that protects the living ?

They must be doing something right. Certainly able to raise their heads when required.

 

[clifford]

This article seems to provide further input on the Pfizer vs AstraZenica Issue:

Scientists call for pause on AstraZeneca vaccine rollout

The Australian and New Zealand Society for Immunology says the AstraZeneca vaccine may not be effective enough to generate herd immunity.

www.smh.com.au

I wonder why the Australasian Virology Society suddenly changed its mind? Couldn't have been pressure from the Federal Govt, could it?