Possible closure of Canberra, Hobart and Mildura staff bases

No it doesn’t. NJS doesn’t have spare aircraft, so yet another engine change on the green A220 last week saw a 737 subbed in, which cannot be flown by the HBA crew. Come the end of the month it’s bye A220, hello 737 on the Sydney flights as well.

Don't understand any of that. Are you saying that not having a Hobart based crew makes no effect in irrops?

If an ex-HBA morning flight has a pilot or SO get ill, what happens if no base?
 
If an ex-HBA morning flight has a pilot or SO get ill, what happens if no base?

Same thing that happens everywhere else, replacement crew from the hotel if needed. HBA had 6 crew sets which is not enough to support ops year round, so they were already flying in subs as needed or cancelling flights as they did this morning. As it stands they are occasionally subbing 737s when hardware fails, as I pointed out the local crew are of no help when this happens because they are not rated on the 737, be it pilots or cabin crew, thanks to being a different company!
 
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An HBA crew-base wouldn’t just service HBA surely. That would have also supported Launceston, Devonport, Burnie etc too.
 
Same thing that happens everywhere else, replacement crew from the hotel if needed. HBA had 6 crew sets which is not enough to support ops year round, so they were already flying in subs as needed or cancelling flights as they did this morning. As it stands they are occasionally subbing 737s when hardware fails, as I pointed out the local crew are of no help when this happens because they are not rated on the 737, be it pilots or cabin crew, thanks to being a different company!
I don’t doubt any of that. But what about engineers? What about no crew in hotel but there is one at home in Hobart?

I’m sure it happens elsewhere and already, as you say but not you’re not going to convince me that not having a base in Hobart is not going to cause disruptions to be greater out of Hobart, which is what I was saying.

I mean, if it’s no operational advantage why did they do it in the first place?
 
I don’t doubt any of that. But what about engineers? What about no crew in hotel but there is one at home in Hobart?

I’m sure it happens elsewhere and already, as you say but not you’re not going to convince me that not having a base in Hobart is not going to cause disruptions to be greater out of Hobart, which is what I was saying.

I mean, if it’s no operational advantage why did they do it in the first place?
Not sure about your reference to engineers, they’re not part of a crew base of tech and cabin crew.

1. Recently the Dash 8 entity merged with NJS so now they have a large pool of staff that can work on both as far as cabin crew goes in a central location, HBA advantage gone, once training is done elsewhere.

2. The EBA renegotiation for NJS is close, and the old EBA provided no incentive to do overtime, so a call to off duty staff resulted more often in a “no” than a “yes”, HBA advantage gone.

3. Usually there is at least two crews overnighting, IIRC NJS EBA have a lower minimum hours off between duty, so if a sickie is called, replacements can be moved from the later flight to the earlier flight with backup jumpseating down in the interim.

So Qantas have a subsidiary running a very small base,where there is no advantage for them now they do both props and jets, to have local staff!
 
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1. Recently the Dash 8 entity merged with NJS so now they have a large pool of staff that can work on both as far as cabin crew goes in a central location, HBA advantage gone, once training is done elsewhere.
Worth noting this hasn't actually happened yet, but there are reportedly plans to bring the A220/Dash under one AOC.
 
Qantas pledges to expand Canberra flights after confirming base closure
Reading the fine print, "...Qantas CEO Vanessa Hudson had committed to expanding QantasLink A220 services to Canberra..." But does that actually mean more flights, or just swapping out Dash 8s for A220s and having the same number of flights? Time will tell.
 
I loved the line "It's not about cost savings or profitability, it's about setting us up for success as we go through a significant period of growth and renewal".
Do these people even read these nonsense talking points before they approve them?

Some Qantas lackey gave a statement to ABC Hobart radio when the issue was blowing up there. I tried to find it on their site (no), but it included phrases like

"So we can serve the people of Hobart better .... " and "So we can respond more quickly to problems as they arise in Hobart ..."

I nearly lost my breakfast.
 
Some Qantas lackey gave a statement to ABC Hobart radio when the issue was blowing up there. I tried to find it on their site (no), but it included phrases like

"So we can serve the people of Hobart better .... " and "So we can respond more quickly to problems as they arise in Hobart ..."

I nearly lost my breakfast.

ABC had the corker above at 0:35

The lack of accountability is the issue, do whatever and say whatever they want with zero consequences. It would be fitting if there's some major curfuffles at CNB airport next sitting week, only way government would look at properly regulating anti-competitive and price gouging behaviour. Of course, I'm sure they'd just be comfy and unbothered in the chairman's lounge...
 
'The Australian' article is paywalled, but here's most:


A '$700 a fortnight allowance' might not cover the costs of required overnight accommodation in Melbourne if say a pilot elected to continue to reside in Mildura, but was rostered on an 0700 hours flight from Melbourne three times in a fortnight, so he had no way of getting to MEL on the first NJS/QantasLink flight of the morning ex Mildura.

Rail operators and road transport operators alike usually base some staff in rural cities (and capitals such as Canberra or Hobart if having operations there!) because they know from experience that you just can't have one or two large city based depots.

Granted, there's risk that if say Hobart continued to remain as an NJS/QFd depot, occasionally a flight deck or cabin crew member might be unable to 'get home' if a plane failed in MEL or there were severe thunderstorms, but going in the other direction from Hobart, a cancelled flight means the same risk for someone who resides in Melbourne or Sydney.

This has all the hallmarks of pointless cost cutting that will lead to reduced reliability - more cancellations.

I'd be interested in the viewpoint of @jb747 and @AviatorInsight who will know much more than me about any adverse (or positive) effect on airline operations.

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Scathing Senate report suggests Qantas has failed to learn from its past mistakes​

Robyn Ironside

A Senate committee inquiry into regional aviation has delivered a scathing assessment of Qantas’ decision to close three of its Qantaslink bases in Hobart, Canberra and Mildura.
A total of 70 employees, mostly pilots and cabin crew face being displaced by the move which is due to take effect in April, and Qantas makes arrangements for them to “commute” to the nearest major city.

Qantas insisted the base closures were about relocating its people to where they were most needed, so they would be better able to respond to disruptions and support customers.

But a report tabled by the Senate Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport said the decision had to be viewed in the context of “recent Qantas conduct towards its employees”

This included the unlawful outsourcing of 1800 ground-handling workers’ jobs during the pandemic, which ultimately cost the airline a $210m fine.

“The process undertaken by Qantas leading up to its announcement on October 1 to close the Canberra, Hobart and Mildura staff bases suggests it has not learned the right lesson from this experience,” said the committee’s report, chaired by Nationals Senator Matt Canavan.

“Committee members heard no evidence to suggest Qantas had listened to the concerns of local councils, members of parliament and regional airports.”

Committee chairman Senator Matt Canavan. Picture: Martin Ollman

Committee chairman Senator Matt Canavan. Picture: Martin Ollman
The report questioned the reasons provided by Qantas for the base closures which cited “improving reliability of services”, saying there was a risk of more flight cancellations and delays for destinations like Canberra and Hobart.

“Qantas was unable to explain precisely how relocating jobs away from Hobart, for example, would ultimately mean a more reliable service into and out of Tasmanian cities,” the report said.

The report also criticised the package offered by Qantas to the displaced workers, saying it “did not recognise or compensate for the disruption”.

Those workers who wished to remain in the towns they called home, and commute to Sydney or Melbourne, could choose a $700-a-fortnight allowance, plus two-years’ air travel from their home bases, along with a promise of rostering support.

The report questioned whether Qantas would support those arrangements “long term” and made the point that as employees retired or left the airline, their jobs would permanently be lost from those communities.

One pilot who gave evidence to the inquiry revealed he had moved to one of the affected areas as part of a 2024 program designed to “improve staff morale by allowing pilots to nominate a base they would like to go to”.

“At the time, the pilots who took up this offer were told there was ‘no intention to change the base footprint’,” the report said.

“After buying and renovating a house, the pilot explained that receiving the news the base would now be closing was devastating.”
 
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