Planning to fly to london - who with?

[lipari]

hey mella thanks, i am going into this in more detail than most i suppose.

i guess most people just book and go. friends of mine recently came back from hawaii butjust whinged about the/ flight, bumpy and uncomfortable. told me becareful who you fly etc because yolu can get a reealy bad plane and horrible flight.

in the end i will book somebody all i am certain about is wanting to go preemium because i like a smaller cabin.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Bumpy flights are just the weather: that is not under the pilots control.

 

[Deleted member]

And what is the probability of losing 1?

This whole 4 engines is safer than 2 in this day and age is probably not in line with the statistics of the matte, however ill save that for another day

I suspect you are quite right, but since I first flew when 4 was always better than 2, it's a mind set I am yet to shake off.
That said , I still fly on twin engine planes

 

[MR N]

Could the OP do this, fly maybe premium on one sector and business on the second sector ? The J class may be too expensive so maybe a mixed class flight ?

 

[simongr]

That said , I still fly on twin engine planes

I do this pretty much every fortnight and have yet to die horribly in a crash.

 

[JohnPhelan]

If one engine goes on a four or two engine aircraft you will be landing immediately.

If two engines go on a two engine aircraft, you'll be landing even more immediately!

 

[simongr]

If two engines go on a two engine aircraft, you'll be landing even more immediately!

British Airways Flight 9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23 minutes

 

[MR N]

Without hijacking the thread, I prefer 4 than 2.

Was thinking the OP could go to Singapore PE with BA 777 and then Singapore London J on 747.

 

[drewbles]

Having flown BA's 747 in Y+, there is no way i'd spend a cent on it again (it was my employers money but i'd still not buy it again). Sub-par seat, and sub-par service. Leg room was decent, but that was about it.

The 4 donk birds are slowly going away for some airlines as they're replaced by 777's. Cathay will not be putting Premium Economy into their 747's, and they only fly A330's to Australia (2 donk birds).

Mixed fares don't really exist on QF. Some airlines will offer them, but not many. There used to be a great JAL fare in Premium via NRT, with an overnight in hotel included in the fare. These have largely gone these days though.

I did some mucking around and found a MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-SYD-MEL fare for Y to and from SIN and Y+ SIN to LHR for around $3600, but it was a lot of effort (all on QF BTW). It involved doing MEL-SIN return, and then tacking on SIN-LHR (on a sale) in Premium.

Of course, you could always just open a Flightfox competition as well and state your requirements and budget!

 

[cgichard]

I fly MEL -> LHR via SIN every year in SQ Economy and have nothing but praise for Singapore Airlines. Never had a late arrival yet in at least 12 years, and I'm able to sleep most of the way, as long as I have my preferred window seat.

 

[TheEmu]

I do this pretty much every fortnight and have yet to die horribly in a crash.

If you lose one engine on a twin-engined aircraft, the remaining engine will always have enough power to get you to the crash site… :shock:

 

[drewbles]

I have no issues flying with 2 engines.
Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Says a lot about aircraft. If you're over land, even with no engines, providing you're high enough and close enough to an airport, you're still in with a fighting chance.

Aircraft that fly long distances on two engines (over water) need ETOPS which is provided on a per-aircraft basis. This ensures that the plane is as safe as possible to fly long distances without the need for more (2 more engines) redundancy.

The '4 engines 4 long haul' that VS have on their 747's and A346's really is a fallacy these days

 

[Deleted member]

I do this pretty much every fortnight and have yet to die horribly in a crash.

It must be noted, my issue has no basis in rational understanding. It's just a fundamental belief,( superstition ) ✈

 

[TheEmu]

I have no issues flying with 2 engines.
Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Says a lot about aircraft. If you're over land, even with no engines, providing you're high enough and close enough to an airport, you're still in with a fighting chance.

Another happy-ending story is the Gimli Glider.
CBC Digital Archives - For Good Measure: Canada Converts to Metric - 1983: 'Gimli Glider' lands without fuel
Another Canadian aircraft running out of fuel - hmmm.

 

[MR N]

Aircraft that fly long distances on two engines (over water) need ETOPS which is provided on a per-aircraft basis.

Like the BA 777 which lost both engines and crash landed in London, unfortunately it lost both engines. I think ETOPS on 2 engines is 180 minutes but I could be wrong.

Going to Europe with Qantas I reckon its a better bet on an A380 with 4 powerplants, well me as a punter buying the ticket would fell better.

 

[Fruitcake]

I do this pretty much every fortnight and have yet to die horribly in a crash.

I died horribly in a twin engine crash once. But I got better.

 

[drewbles]

Like the BA 777 which lost both engines and crash landed in London, unfortunately it lost both engines. I think ETOPS on 2 engines is 180 minutes but I could be wrong.

Going to Europe with Qantas I reckon its a better bet on an A380 with 4 powerplants, well me as a punter buying the ticket would fell better.

Nothing to do with the number of engines. This was a result of a poorly designed fuel oil heat exchanger unit (FOHE). The small tubes that the fuel passed through to warm were not flush at the end, causing an accumulation of ice to be allowed to form at this point restricting fuel flow. This was a fault only on Rolls Royce engines. It has since been re-designed, and the change applied to existing donks in the field.

ETOPS has different ratings too. The current allowed ETOPS are ETOPS-75, ETOPS-90, ETOPS-120/138, ETOPS-180/207, ETOPS-240 and ETOPs->240. There are exceptions to these too.

That's 4 hours with one engine. Does anyone know if fear of flying courses cover the loss of an engine in flight? It may be worthwhile to consider a course as only flying birds with 4 engines does restrict the choices for travel.

 

[MR N]

Absolutely does. I would guess that they cover things like that in those courses because I'm certain that engine failure would be a reason some people fear flying.