Plane returns after passengers brawl reportedly due to a seat recliner

[Reggie]

Oh not again. I now remember why I keep tryng to get bulkhead.

Sorry JohnK, I thought of you whilst starting this thread, trying to remember if you where in the LOTFAP

I remember one time on a DJ SYD-CBR flight.

I despise chronic recliners....

I thought you despised both of these equally, flying DJ and recliners.

 

[docjames]

I was wondering when JohnK would arrive in this thread.

Basically these repeated threads really just illustrate that people (on both sides of this arguement, as with any) need to have some flexibility and understanding.

IMO:
SYD-CBR - surely you dont need to recline for that.

SYD-LHR, well, that's another story.

Where do you draw the line in the middle - well, that's where the flexibility and understanding comes in.

Oh, and if you are going to recline, do it slowly, so the person behind you has a chance to get their knees out of the way (signed: 6'5")

 

[medhead]

My favourites are the ones who recline the seat and then sit upright.

 

[oz_mark]

If it causes an issue and it's rude to recline then they should take the function away.

Well, Jetstar tried that, and it didn't seem to go down well.

 

[Robert K]

why would you need to recline your seat on a boat?

don't know why you are all being a$$holes about it. why not complain to the airline for putting the seat too close to each other, instead of ripping the heads off people who recline their seats?

god forbid someone wanting to take a nap on a 40 min flight. that would be just too much to ask.

 

[enigma01au]

In March I flew from Perth to Adelaide, seat 9A. As soon as the seatbelt sign went off, the lady passenger in row 7A decided to fully recline her seat and went to sleep . At the same time,the FA's started the meal service. The person in the seat directly behind the sleeping woman had to recline his seat so that he could attempt to eat his meal. This meant he was reclining into me. I decided NOT to recline and so stopped the domino effect from continuing any further back.
I asked the FA to do something, ie wake the woman at least just for the meal service, but the FA just got a "glazed look" and ignored me.

When I got to ADL, I sent a email to Qantas, asking them to clarifiy their policy on seat reclining. I asked them if my comfort level was considered to be worth less than that of the pax in front. Qantas sent me a letter back with an included voucher for $100, stating that they were sorry for my uncomfortable flight and that they would send though my "suggestion" to their ideas panel....

I haven't heard back since.....

I don't mind if people recline, AFTER the meal service, show some consideration, and then the flight should be a happy service for everyone!

 

[Robert K]

when i was on qantas last time, they asked people to put the seat up during meal time. maybe it depends on the FA.

 

[oz_mark]

when i was on qantas last time, they asked people to put the seat up during meal time. which is necessary.

Yes, but they can only ask, and most, but not all, people are considerate enough to comply.

 

[medhead]

why would you need to recline your seat on a boat?

don't know why you are all being a$$holes about it. why not complain to the airline for putting the seat too close to each other, instead of ripping the heads off people who recline their seats?

god forbid someone wanting to take a nap on a 40 min flight. that would be just too much to ask.

I can only think from your question that you have missed the point people are trying to make. That would also explain why you have also misinterpreted how they are acting.

I guess I'm lucky that I can sleep with the seat upright, in fact my family reckon I could sleep on a barbed wire fence. IMO someone can't be that tired if they need to recline to sleep.

 

[oz_mark]

I guess I'm lucky that I can sleep with the seat upright, in fact my family reckon I could sleep on a barbed wire fence. IMO someone can't be that tired if they need to recline to sleep.

I can too, but I will sometimes recline a little bit (and sometimes the seats will self recline)

 

[medhead]

I can too, but I will sometimes recline a little bit (and sometimes the seats will self recline)

It's the self recline that is most annoying. Makes me wonder if I'm falling or not. Then I had some bloke in front of me on Monday who kept slamming into his seat every 10minutes or so. It wasn't to recline so I have no idea what his problem was, but almost as annoying as seat grabbers.

 

[Justchecking]

Wow i havent thrown a hissy fit like that since I was like 10, and I'm pretty sure I would have copped a smack around the earhole for it. It never bothers me to have the person in front recline the full half inch into my space. Then again I had the benefit of my mothers left hand for perspective when I was a kid.

Consequently as an adult I tend not to lose it over things that dont matter. :shock:

 

[drron]

I can only think from your question that you have missed the point people are trying to make. That would also explain why you have also misinterpreted how they are acting.

I guess I'm lucky that I can sleep with the seat upright, in fact my family reckon I could sleep on a barbed wire fence. IMO someone can't be that tired if they need to recline to sleep.

Another here.Rarely recline on a short flight and never if in the Y cabin.
PS-a lot of discussion here in LOTFAP about why the F-16's were needed.

 

[Robert K]

I can too, but I will sometimes recline a little bit (and sometimes the seats will self recline)

that happened to me once too! it's just a broken chair right? surely not a feature.

 

[medhead]

It never bothers me to have the person in front recline the full half inch into my space.

Half an inch?! Which airline is that? because both qantas and virgin australia seats recline more than half an inch.

 

[ozmille]

that happened to me once too! it's just a broken chair right? surely not a feature.

I hate it when that happens, crew constantly coming over to ask to put the seat back upright and not believing that it is not you actually doing it on purpose. And I don't want to not touch the seatback for a whole flight.

 

[burrco]

There's nothing I hate more than drunken seat recliners who are too big to fit in their own seat, travelling with to much carry on, accompanied by their screaming kids, who refuse to put the window shade down.

I think that pretty much covers it.

 

[tuapekastar]

I was inclined to decline to opine on yet another thread about recline, but what the heck, let's anyway.

And the reason for my reluctance? There is no right answer, only each person's opinion and preference.

Mine, FWIW, is:

I don't recline on flights to NZ, or any domestic flights

I may well recline on longer flights if overnight or other sleep-conducive conditions (e.g. v long sector), but even then, sometimes not utilise the entire recline

I would never recline during meal service and wouldn't mind being woken to go upright if already asleep when such a service commenced

Whilst I dislike people reclining in front of me on short (< 4 hours) sectors, its the airlines that put the functionality there, not the pax.

I cannot recall anyone remaining inclined in front of me during meal service, but I think I could convey to them the importance of them returning to upright without too much difficulty.

I have copped (on a trans-tasman flight) one of the reclining bookreaders mentioned above. Not only that, when they had finished reading they remained inclined and attempted to place the book under their seat, straight onto the top of my resting feet (where they had previously placed a newspaper, which I subsequently had kicked into the aisle). A good swift (but non-injuring ) kick to the depositing hand ensured the book did not remain there.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

In March I flew from Perth to Adelaide, seat 9A. As soon as the seatbelt sign went off, the lady passenger in row 7A decided to fully recline her seat and went to sleep . At the same time,the FA's started the meal service. The person in the seat directly behind the sleeping woman had to recline his seat so that he could attempt to eat his meal. This meant he was reclining into me. I decided NOT to recline and so stopped the domino effect from continuing any further back.
I asked the FA to do something, ie wake the woman at least just for the meal service, but the FA just got a "glazed look" and ignored me.

+1
Happened to me on a Jetstar flight from coughet to Sydney last year. 7+ Hour flight, and l was seated in StarClass. FA couldn't give a toss. l refuse to fly JQ anymore.

 

[Moopere]

This all seems like a reflection of cramming the PAX into smaller and smaller spaces in Y cabins to me.

I sleep on all forms of transport and am one of those that a lot of the posts above complain about - recline almost immediately and stay that way whilst snoozing. Awake times (and obviously meal service) the seat goes back up of course.

When I am in Y and people recline in front of me I have not even given it a thought ... but I'm a small guy and whilst no-one in Y, small or large, is having a great time, it doesn't affect me at all. Thus, Y personal space must be too small if so many (presumably larger/taller people) are having trouble with recliners.

Making Y per Pax space bigger would be the obvious answer as I never hear or observe discomfort in J or F because of reclining. Failing that, as no airline is likely to do it, fix the seat backs so you _cant_ recline might be healthier for the average size adult perhaps? Makes an even bigger distinction for J and F class then too.... One step closer to a new LCC model of standing room only flight eh