Passenger “Gone Crazy on QF46”

jase05 said:
As soon as I heard about the incident I just knew it would be ex DPS 😂
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I'd think this thread would've had more replies had it been the LCCs (Jetstar, AirAsia, Citilink) or the Value Carriers (Batik, Virgin) ;)
 
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I have questions, one of which is why not divert in this situation?

Recognising the news coverage may be inaccurate, restraining someone prone for “several hours” doesn’t strike me as ideal
 
nancypants said:
I have questions, one of which is why not divert in this situation?

Recognising the news coverage may be inaccurate, restraining someone prone for “several hours” doesn’t strike me as ideal
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probably on balance they decided they may as well keep going, ADL would be less than an hours difference and not worth the divert if the situation is under control

The crew would have probably timed out had they diverted and resulted in further disruption for the pax
 
jrfsp said:
probably on balance they decided they may as well keep going, ADL would be less than an hours difference and not worth the divert if the situation is under control

The crew would have probably timed out had they diverted and resulted in further disruption for the pax
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Appreciate all of those things and looking at the route map there’s obviously a dearth of options (Broome, Adelaide, then when you start looking and saying things like “Yulara might work” you know you’re grasping)

That said, and this is where I’m really hoping the news reports are not accurate, the idea that someone has been held in prone restraint for “several hours” is extremely disturbing to me. There is a reason those mental health and law enforcement agencies that haven’t banned the practice outright have set time limits (eg NSW health “continuous prone restraint should NOT exceed three minutes”- emphasis theirs). Prone restraint cardiac arrest is a very real risk. I have been involved in the mop up from a few similar cases and it is not pleasant for anyone. Now I recognise that if someone is truly going bonkers, having one death is preferable to 180 odd but zero deaths is generally considered the standard to aim for on a holiday flight. Within the aeromedical space there is a requirement to restrain “by any means necessary”, it’s easier given chemical restraint options are available but I understand the challenges if that isn’t possible

I’m not a total idiot, I was cabin crew (although my daughter just reminded me I haven’t flown for 18 years), and have been working in healthcare including aeromedical retrieval for 22 years this year

Tldr, I’m hoping the news reports are inaccurate. Props to the crew for managing a challenging situation, but I’m not sure this is quite ready for levity
 
nancypants said:
Appreciate all of those things and looking at the route map there’s obviously a dearth of options (Broome, Adelaide, then when you start looking and saying things like “Yulara might work” you know you’re grasping)

That said, and this is where I’m really hoping the news reports are not accurate, the idea that someone has been held in prone restraint for “several hours” is extremely disturbing to me. There is a reason those mental health and law enforcement agencies that haven’t banned the practice outright have set time limits (eg NSW health “continuous prone restraint should NOT exceed three minutes”- emphasis theirs). Prone restraint cardiac arrest is a very real risk. I have been involved in the mop up from a few similar cases and it is not pleasant for anyone. Now I recognise that if someone is truly going bonkers, having one death is preferable to 180 odd but zero deaths is generally considered the standard to aim for on a holiday flight. Within the aeromedical space there is a requirement to restrain “by any means necessary”, it’s easier given chemical restraint options are available but I understand the challenges if that isn’t possible

I’m not a total idiot, I was cabin crew (although my daughter just reminded me I haven’t flown for 18 years), and have been working in healthcare including aeromedical retrieval for 22 years this year

Tldr, I’m hoping the news reports are inaccurate. Props to the crew for managing a challenging situation, but I’m not sure this is quite ready for levity
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Qantas international doesn't remember that Adelaide exists so not an option.
 
That said, and this is where I’m really hoping the news reports are not accurate
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Well it is accurate, move on. See the 9 News story from tonight with the footage. Can you tell me what exactly you would have done?
 
Saab34 said:
Well it is accurate, move on. See the 9 News story from tonight with the footage. Can you tell me what exactly you would have done?
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Back in my crew days we were trained to either hog tie folk and leave them or handcuff and then duct tape to a seat.

Training may have changed but I’d be surprised if it specified several hours of prone restraint, and given the video footage is a few short minutes not several hours I’m hoping the text accompanying is not accurate

I wouldn’t wish it on any crew in the world
 
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