Overnight connection at SIN on two separate tickets with non-aligned airlines

[Nizar]

Hi all,

I tried to fit as much of a description as I could into the title.

Basically my wife and I are looking at typically creative options to get to CGK lol.

And what has come to mind, as I would like to try the QF Mel F lounge, is to take EK405 to SIN so we can fly EK F. We have flown EK F before but the QF Mel F lounge will be new.

Now this flight arrives into SIN at around midnight (it will actually be just past midnight as we are travelling in October after daylight savings kicks in, so flight timing will be 19:00-00:10+1 or thereabouts).

Because of this we will miss the last flight to CGK (which departs at 00:30) and will have to overnight it at SIN, which is ok. I am considering the Crowne Plaza, seems a bit nicer than the typical run of the mill Changi airport airside hotel.

Now apparently this Crowne Plaza hotel is also airside (?) so I am wondering how it will work with luggage.

To get to CGK we are now looking at SQ F options which are wide open through LM (and with attractive pricing due to the current LM promo), and would allow TPR access too (another bucket list item ticked off!). I can even choose which flight out of the four daily flights to CGK which have F and I am thinking the 12:30 afternoon departure so we can have a bit of a sleep in and breakfast in TPR before having lunch on board.

Considering that I am arriving on EK and departing about 12 hours later on SQ and will be staying at the Crowne Plaza hotel how is it all going to work with luggage etc ?

Is there a way that I can make it all work without passing through immigration ?
Is there some sort of interline agreement between EK and SQ so I can check my bags through to CGK from MEL ?
And if there is I suppose I can just get my SQ boarding pass in the morning on the day of travel from the SQ transfer desk ?

I would rather not be lugging around my bags at 1am lol.

Haven't done anything like this before on separate airlines so would appreciate some feedback and guidance.

Cheers.

 

[CaviAck]

The Crowne Plaza is landside, so it would be collecting your luggage and clearing immigration and walking to Terminal 3 where the CP is located.

 

[ShaneN]

CaviAck has beaten me to part of the answer. Crowne Plaza is landside, not airside. It is a very comfortable modern hotel. You will need to clear immigration on arrival in Terminal 1. Crowne Plaza is at Terminal 3. The Skytrain is an alternative to walking, and will drop you very close to the entrance to Crowne Plaza. The SQ flight will depart from either Terminal 2 or 3.

You may be able to check your luggage through rather than collecting it in SIN, but not sure about this. As full service carriers, SQ and EK are very likely to have an interline agreement, but suggest you check with the airlines or wait for advice from an expert here.

 

[Nizar]

You may be able to check your luggage through rather than collecting it in SIN, but not sure about this. As full service carriers, SQ and EK are very likely to have an interline agreement, but suggest you check with the airlines or wait for advice from an expert here.

Any other feedback on this guys ?
Come on there's been over 200 views lol

 

[ozbeachbabe]

According to Expert Flyer there is a baggage interline agreement between EK & SQ however these days more and more airlines will only through check bags when all travel is on the same ticket or within the one alliance eg QF will only through check on separate pnrs if the other airline is a member of One World or EK, UA will only through check on separate pnrs if the other airline is a member of the Star Alliance.

The results below from EF do not mention anything about same ticket or not so while there may be an agreement in place between EK & SQ, EK have got to want to do it. Same goes for any airline.

I'd be inclined to just check in as far as SIN with EK then collect the bags in SIN and take them with you to the CP only because you're travelling in F so shouldn't have to wait too long to collect them and ditto for the next day. You're travelling in F on SQ so I'd just enjoy the whole F checkin experience in SIN - I doubt you'll have to queue.

It really depends on the individual situation as if travel was in whY I'd be doing everything possible to avoid picking up my bags and rechecking, although SQ do have separate checkin lines for web checkin (which some people are reluctant to do) and are much shorter that the regular economy lines.

Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Interline Agreements:
Flying EK


E-Ticket Interline Agreements
    AB        AC        AE        AF        AH        AI        
    AM        AR        AS        AT        AV        AY        
    AZ        A3        A9        BA        BD        BE        
    BG        BI        BP        BR        BT        B6        
    B8        CA        CI        CM        CO        CX        
    CY        CZ        DJ        DL        DN        DT        
    D3        D6        EI        EQ        ET        EY        
    FB        FI        FJ        FM        FV        FZ        
    GA        GF        GK        G3        HA        HG        
    HM        HR        H2        IB        IE        IG        
    IR        IT        IY        I5        JJ        JL        
    JP        JQ        JU        J2        KA        KC        
    KE        KF        KK        KL        KM        KQ        
    KU        LA        LG        LH        LO        LP        
    LR        LT        LX        MA        ME        MH        
    MI        MK        MP        MS        MU        NH        
    NU        NX        NZ        OK        OS        OU        
    OV        OZ        PD        PG        PK        PR        
    PS        PW        PX        PZ        P0        QF        
    QR        QS        RA        RB        RJ        RO        
    SA        SB        SK        SQ        SU        SV        
    SW        SY        S7        TA        TG        TK        
    TM        TN        TP        TU        T0        T3        
    UA        UL        UN        UX        U6        VA        
    VF        VN        VR        VS        VX        WF        
    WS        WY        W3        XL        YM        2J        
    3K        4M        4Q        8M        9B        9W        
    
    
    


Paper Ticket and Baggage Interline Agreements


   MAY ISSUE TICKETS INCLUDING
       AB  AC  AE  AF  AH  AI  AM  AR  AS  AT  AV  AY  AZ  A3  
       A9  BA  BD  BE  BG  BI  BL  BP  BR  BT  BW  B6  B8  CA  
       CI  CM  CO  CX  CY  CZ  DJ  DL  DN  DT  D6  EI  EK  EQ  
       ET  EY  FB  FI  FJ  FM  FV  FZ  GA  GF  GK  G3  HA  HG  
       HM  HR  H1  H2  IB  IE  IG  IR  IY  JJ  JL  JO  JP  JQ  
       JU  J2  KA  KC  KE  KK  KL  KM  KP  KQ  KU  LA  LG  LH  
       LO  LP  LR  LX  ME  MH  MI  MK  MS  MU  NH  NU  NX  NZ  
       OA  OK  OS  OU  OV  OZ  PD  PG  PK  PR  PS  PW  PX  PZ  
       P0  QF  QR  QS  RA  RB  RJ  RO  SA  SB  SK  SQ  SU  SV  
       SW  SY  S7  TA  TG  TK  TM  TN  TP  TU  T0  T3  UA  UL  
       UN  UX  U6  U7  VA  VK  VN  VR  VS  VX  WF  WS  WY  W3  
       XL  YM  Z5  2J  3K  4M  4Q  8M  9B  9W                  
 
   MAY CHECK BAGGAGE TO
       AB  AC  AE  AF  AH  AI  AR  AS  AT  AV  AY  AZ  A3  A9  
       BA  BD  BE  BG  BI  BL  BP  BR  BT  BW  B6  B8  CA  CI  
       CM  CO  CX  CY  CZ  DJ  DL  DN  DT  D6  EI  EK  EQ  ET  
       EY  FB  FI  FJ  FM  FV  FZ  GA  GF  GK  G3  HA  HG  HM  
       HR  H1  H2  IB  IG  IR  IY  JJ  JL  JO  JP  JQ  JU  J2  
       KA  KC  KE  KK  KL  KM  KP  KQ  KU  LA  LH  LO  LP  LR  
       LX  ME  MI  MK  MS  MU  NU  NX  NZ  OA  OS  OU  OV  OZ  
       PD  PG  PK  PR  PS  PW  PX  PZ  P0  QF  QR  QS  RA  RB  
       RO  SA  SB  SK  [B]SQ[/B]  SU  SV  SW  SY  S7  TA  TG  TK  TM  
       TN  TP  TU  T0  T3  UA  UN  UX  U6  U7  VA  VK  VN  VR  
       VS  VX  WF  WS  WY  W3  XL  YM  Z5  2J  3K  4M  4Q  8M

 

[JohnK]

You can try using transfer desk on arrival and they may be able to transfer luggage to onward flight.

The other option to avoid carrying luggage with you to hotel is not to collect luggage on arrival and let it go through to lost luggage. Collect luggage when you come back to airport to check-in for next flight.

 

[dajop]

The other option to avoid carrying luggage with you to hotel is not to collect luggage on arrival and let it go through to lost luggage. Collect luggage when you come back to airport to check-in for next flight.

This is probably not advisable. There's a fair bit of mucking around, getting back to T1 to retrieve the luggage and then across to T2. It's probably just easier to pick the luggage up after the flight. Usually ground handling at Changi is fairly efficient (rider: I say usually as there are odd occasions where it can be inexplicably long like 15-20mins).

Anecdotal evidence on flyer talk suggests that through checking (on separate tix) to SQ is possible, but it may depend on the agent. I would try that and if it doesn't work just collect luggage. The cutoff for rechecking luggage for flight to CGK is 40mins before departure, not that seems to be an issue. Noting that the flight will be departing from T2 and two options of getting there from Crowne Plaza - the train or secondly walking through the travellators above the train station at Basement 2.

Also if early enough may be able to check in at T3 (not sure through) and therefore use The Private Room without having to go to T2 and back. Although coming from the CP I would not bother with the special F checkin lounge, just stick to F counter checkin which is much closer to the CP.

 

[Cynicor]

No idea how much baggage you are taking, but it would hardly be "lugging about" too much luggage. You could throw a stone to the Crown if you had a good arm, but it is still landslide.

The minimal fuss solution is- ask to through check but it that fails, collect your luggage. Transfer desk and lost property are less easy than the speed at which SIN ground handling manage to offload a plane, especially with priority tags (they actually work in SIN!).

 

[Nizar]

No idea how much baggage you are taking, but it would hardly be "lugging about" too much luggage. You could throw a stone to the Crown if you had a good arm, but it is still landslide.

The minimal fuss solution is- ask to through check but it that fails, collect your luggage. Transfer desk and lost property are less easy than the speed at which SIN ground handling manage to offload a plane, especially with priority tags (they actually work in SIN!).

I'm all about minimal fuss solutions and as such I agree with your suggestion, that is exactly what I plan to do.

Cheers.

 

[Nizar]

Also if early enough may be able to check in at T3 (not sure through) and therefore use The Private Room without having to go to T2 and back. Although coming from the CP I would not bother with the special F checkin lounge, just stick to F counter checkin which is much closer to the CP.

I thought the CP was quite close to T3 ?
The F check-in counter that you speak of that is much closer to the CP - which terminal is this part of ?

 

[dajop]

I thought the CP was quite close to T3 ?
The F check-in counter that you speak of that is much closer to the CP - which terminal is this part of ?

The CP is adjacent to T3. There is a First Class check in "lounge" at the opposite end of T3 to the CP, best reached by taxi/car as it has its own driveway. If you have luggage it's a decent walk. Without luggage is probably OK, as it's fairly close to the airside lounge (Private Room). In the middle of the terminal (much closer to the CP) there is a row of business check in counters with a couple of F checkin counters in the row too (from memory near Door 5) about half way along the terminal.

 

[Traveller1955]

We have done the stay overnight in the CP, super ask for a room on the pool level (join the CP club before leaving), also the trolleys were free in Changi. Rather than drag all you bags, we used left luggage and only took our carry on to save effort, I recall not to costly and near the train entrance so you can escape to the city and pick up on the way back.

 

[sue_in_oz]

I stayed at the CP for a week very nice & convenient.

Not only is it close to T3 it is actually contiguous with the terminal. I put my bags on a trolley, took the trolley on the train to T3 & then pushed the trolley to the check-in desk where hotel staff took them for me.

Added bonus to the location are the terminal shops including supermarket & IIRC a pharmac_.
HTH


Sue