Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[EestiTiger]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I was poking around on the JL website and found a mileage calculator. It all sounds very official with their reference to IATA and TPM (Ticketing Permitted Mileage).

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/SectionMile_en.do

I haven't had time to run some tests to compare it to GCM.

Hope it is of use to someone out there!

 

[SOPOOR]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi everyone
Can people give me an indication

Last year i did melb to france return business class. Stoo over in kl for two hours
Taxes were 1100 and 290k points.

What woule have first class or economy taxes been?

Also if i hypothetically did a lets say melb to europe to usa to melb
What sort of taxes could i expect? For the three classes

Thankyou

 

[tandlj]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

.... had exactly the same sense of confusion. I'm taking baby steps with making a Muti city booking vis a vis the 280k point thing,( ie first leg is booked) thinking it was also called a RTW, but thanks to the helpfulness of the AFF members, I slowly getting the picture!

We are in the same rocky but exciting boat! First-time OW Classic Awards RTW in J class booking attempt for two - what a challenge! The goal is to be in London for two weeks in September 2017, in Europe for the rest of September and most of October 2017, and in India during November 2017 - the planned itinerary is:
CBR-SYD-SCL-EZE stopover
EZE-GRU-MAD-LHR stopover
LHR-TXL stopover (or maybe something else as 5th stopover)
1st surface
ATH-DOH-DEL stopover
2nd surface
MMA-HKG stopover
HKG-MEL-CBR

And, already, we have some unexpected questions we hope to find answers for here:
1) QF27 SYD-SCL so far has no SEP 2017 business award seats at 10am - is this QFF status related (we are only bronze) or are there none (just now or never)?
2) CX and LA are not listed on EF - anywhere else one can find this sort of flights and awards availability information?
3) As we plan (at this point in time, and if it turns out doable) to do as RTW - is SYD-HKG(or similar in Asia)-LAX(or similar in North America) considered East or West bound (we are going East-ward)?

Thanks, Joseph

 

[Boca68]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

We are in the same rocky but exciting boat! First-time OW Classic Awards RTW in J class booking attempt for two - what a challenge! The goal isto be in London for two weeks in September 2017, in Europe for the rest of September and most of October 2017, and in India during November 2017 - the planned itinerary is:
CBR-SYD-SCL-EZE stopover
EZE-GRU-MAD-LHR stopover
LHR-TXL stopover (or maybe something else as 5th stopover)
1st surface
ATH-DOH-DEL stopover
2nd surface
MMA-HKG stopover
HKG-MEL-CBR

And, already, we have some unexpected questions we hope to find answers for here:
1) QF27 SYD-SCL so far has no SEP 2017 business award seats at 10am - is this QFF status related (we are only bronze) or are there none (just now or never)?
2) CX and LA are not listed on EF - anywhere else one can find this sort of flights and awards availability information?
3) As we plan (at this point in time, and if it turns out doable) to do as RTW - is SYD-HKG(or similar in Asia)-LAX(or similar in North America) considered East or West bound (we are going East-ward)?

Thanks, Joseph

QF27 SYD-SCL is very difficult to get. Very few, if any business seats get released. Y+ and Y is not too bad, but it only goes 4 days a week. For LA and CX , sign up to BA Executive club and use their search tools.

 

[Kangol]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

2) CX and LA are not listed on EF - anywhere else one can find this sort of flights and awards availability information?
3) As we plan (at this point in time, and if it turns out doable) to do as RTW - is SYD-HKG(or similar in Asia)-LAX(or similar in North America) considered East or West bound (we are going East-ward)?

2) QFF shows LA and CX
3) You missed the info in the post you quoted. It's not a RTW, it's distance only (35k miles max). There is no RTW requirement (direction of travel), even though you could do it if you wanted to.

Mods - please change the title to include the words: "NOT RTW" and probably include "distance maximum of 35,000 miles" to help limit confusion. I bet this comes up every 5 pages or so, it's only so the community can benefit.

 

[Kangol]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

30 mins to have it re-issued in my case would've meant the QR seats disappeared... very very unusual and certainly not the norm.

There's been some back and forth with QR's oneworld helpdesk to get the seats reinstated, but nothing firm yet.

FWIW I recently made another change last week and it was ticketed within 30mins again. I plan on making 1-2 more changes, will also report back.
How is yours going?

 

[ablecookie]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Qantas are increasing the change fee for award bookings from 3500 points per person to 5000 points from 15 December.

Fairly stiff fees. I have been booking our trip in a number of steps since don't want to miss out with my low status, booking as soon as seats are released. Each time adding a leg, costing us another lot of points!

 

[Kangol]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Fairly stiff fees. I have been booking our trip in a number of steps since don't want to miss out with my low status, booking as soon as seats are released. Each time adding a leg, costing us another lot of points!

Technically it's every time the ticket is reissued, it's a change fee. If you are lucky and add legs at the 11 month window, reissuing may be delayed until the next time to add legs occurs (saving on points). Having said that, I have done so (added segments at the end of the 11 month window) and have had tickets reissued within the hour as well as several months after the change. In the grand scheme of things, it's a pretty small price to pay for the overall value (pending how you got your points).

 

[melbkate]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi there - I have finally got most of the rules of these value fares except - how does it work 'buying' sectors one at a time??

Thanks Kate

 

[Global Tripper]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Fundamentally a similar question to Kate. I have done my homework on this site (it is truly AWESOME, 7 hours+ reading time) so I am very familiar with the rules. I noticed many references to booking progressively as flights become available. How do you do the first BOOKING without paying upfront? I put my first two sectors SYD-DFW-xJFK-SCL into the system and selected flights (note no direct DFW-SCL availability). I then proceeded and looked for the ability to "save" my booking but instead I was asked to confirm the payment of taxes by credit card. Am I missing something fundamental here or do you have to pay the taxes each time you make a another booking, that, is add another sector to your trip? If so what happens if you modify your trip, how does it recalculate the amount due based on what you have already paid? I'm puzzled.
Thanks in advance for your help

 

[tandlj]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

How to find J-class award seats on JAL? Neither EF, nor BA or QF list them. And, when are they released?

 

[cjd600]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Fundamentally a similar question to Kate. I have done my homework on this site (it is truly AWESOME, 7 hours+ reading time) so I am very familiar with the rules. I noticed many references to booking progressively as flights become available. How do you do the first BOOKING without paying upfront? I put my first two sectors SYD-DFW-xJFK-SCL into the system and selected flights (note no direct DFW-SCL availability). I then proceeded and looked for the ability to "save" my booking but instead I was asked to confirm the payment of taxes by credit card. Am I missing something fundamental here or do you have to pay the taxes each time you make a another booking, that, is add another sector to your trip? If so what happens if you modify your trip, how does it recalculate the amount due based on what you have already paid? I'm puzzled.
Thanks in advance for your help

yes, you need to pay 'up front' (ie at your first booking) and then as you go.
Any changes to existing sectors on your booking will result in a recalculation, and possible refund depending on airline and fuel charges.
Any addition to existing sectors will result in a recalc of all taxes/charges in the booking.

 

[cjd600]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi there - I have finally got most of the rules of these value fares except - how does it work 'buying' sectors one at a time??

Thanks Kate

This is typically done when dates pass and subsequent legs you require are released (or better flights become available to what you have already booked
- just call up and have Qantas add/change the leg(s). They can look for you but it is best if you have identified what you want, and can 'feed' then dates/flight numbers
- more legs you can do at once the better as the 3500pts (soon 5000) is only charged once per booking no matter how many legs you add/change on that call
- they will process the taxes, and points required for the leg(s) you are adding
- once your trip reaches 280k (assuming J), the points wont continue to rise, assuming all other award rules remain satisfied

 

[cjd600]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

How to find J-class award seats on JAL? Neither EF, nor BA or QF list them. And, when are they released?

I thought BA listed them?

 

[fairbasa]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

BA definitely lists them.

 

[Global Tripper]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

yes, you need to pay 'up front' (ie at your first booking) and then as you go.
Any changes to existing sectors on your booking will result in a recalculation, and possible refund depending on airline and fuel charges.
Any addition to existing sectors will result in a recalc of all taxes/charges in the booking.

Thank you. It now makes sense.

 

[Ultan Lankford]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Anyone tried to use their chat? The agent keeps telling me that I cannot add any new segments to my PNR. He tells me to cancel all my existing flights to start again....
Needless to say I am not happy, still on hold with QCSR

 

[Ultan Lankford]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

So finally got through and went away to add flights to my ticket but hit a problem. When I tried to book two seperate segments the lady on the other end could not do so. Is this is what we call a married segment where there is a restriction on it? This is with QR by the way.
The only way I can see availability is to use the multi city fare tool which splits the flight up. Availability galore but, having it as a one way only shows limited availability.

Would a 24 hour stop over fix this? The person on the other end didn't seem to be the most knowledgeable in fairness so speaking to someone else may make things clearer for me.

 

[N860CR]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

So finally got through and went away to add flights to my ticket but hit a problem. When I tried to book two seperate segments the lady on the other end could not do so. Is this is what we call a married segment where there is a restriction on it? This is with QR by the way.
The only way I can see availability is to use the multi city fare tool which splits the flight up. Availability galore but, having it as a one way only shows limited availability.

Would a 24 hour stop over fix this? The person on the other end didn't seem to be the most knowledgeable in fairness so speaking to someone else may make things clearer for me.

24 hour stop will fix it, but you'll lose one of your stops.

I'm traveling SYD-DOH-NBO on one of these tickets and instead of having a nice connection in DOH, I'm stuck spending 24 hours there

 

[EestiTiger]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

So finally got through and went away to add flights to my ticket but hit a problem. When I tried to book two seperate segments the lady on the other end could not do so. Is this is what we call a married segment where there is a restriction on it? This is with QR by the way.
The only way I can see availability is to use the multi city fare tool which splits the flight up. Availability galore but, having it as a one way only shows limited availability.

Would a 24 hour stop over fix this? The person on the other end didn't seem to be the most knowledgeable in fairness so speaking to someone else may make things clearer for me.

I think I am going to hit the problem next week when I try to book LAX-HKG-BNE on CX. I have 'saved' a stop for this scenario, but was wondering...

If I fly CX LAX-HKG and connect with QF HKG-BNE, will that get around the married segment issue?