Oneworld circle asia fare.

[Kiwi Flyer]

Is it possible to have more destinations in Asia rather than Australia?

I would love to use CX more. Have heard some good reports about them.

Yes, but the one international departure & arrival in each country and 8 total flights limits options. In south east asia can only fly between HKG and city served by Qantas/BA. In north asia can only fly between HKG and city served by both JL and CX. To maximise SCs you need as many flights over 1200 miles as possible.

Given the fares for Australia domestic business class, maximum value may mean as much domestic flights as possible.

And don't forget most CX able to be used on this fare is regional product. Exceptions being mainly routes to Australia or NZ. Including NZ & PER on same itinerary will be tricky due to mileage.

 

[dajop]

There are no OW direct services between NZ and southeast asia region. You have to go via Australia.

True with the traditional definition of southeast asia region, but in this fare southeast asia includes

South East Asia, including Cambodia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

Thus using this definition CX's AKL-HKG flight qualifies as a direct OW service to southeast asia.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

True with the traditional definition of southeast asia region, but in this fare southeast asia includes

Thus using this definition CX's AKL-HKG flight qualifies as a direct OW service to southeast asia.

Ok so no direct route to north asia then. You cant use AKL-HKG and HKG-AKL both in a single itinerary.

Therefore including NZ must allow trans-tasman flight as well.

 

[Chucksta]

Does this have to be booked through JAL?

Or can Qantas do it?

Anyone got a TA to recommend in PER?

 

[NM]

Does this have to be booked through JAL?

Or can Qantas do it?

Its a OneWorld Product so can be sold through any OneWorld airline or any TA that sells OneWorld products.

 

[simongr]

Spoke to my US based TA yesterday and she said that no booking would be taken for this prior to April 1 - which means that no-one will be flying these for a while...

Interestingly JL are now showing D inventory on EF.

I am still trying to work out this fare. We have to assume that the phrase "one international departure and one international arrival per region" is wrong. For example flying into China. If you fly NRT-PEK you can never leave PEK...

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I am still trying to work out this fare. We have to assume that the phrase "one international departure and one international arrival per region" is wrong. For example flying into China. If you fly NRT-PEK you can never leave PEK...

That in itself isn't good enough reason to infer the rule. Remember PPT is in similar situation for xONEx, in that have to do a surface segment.

What is a stronger argument, in my view, is that the fare is available ex-NZ and NZ is listed in the countries can visit ex-anywhere else. It is impossible to visit any destination in NZ on this fare without a trans-tasman flight or surface segment.

 

[NM]

That in itself isn't good enough reason to infer the rule. Remember PPT is in similar situation for xONEx, in that have to do a surface segment.

What is a stronger argument, in my view, is that the fare is available ex-NZ and NZ is listed in the countries can visit ex-anywhere else. It is impossible to visit any destination in NZ on this fare without a trans-tasman flight or surface segment.

Maybe they are pre-empting an April 1 announcement of NZ being an Australian Territory?

 

[simongr]

Maybe they are pre-empting an April 1 announcement of NZ being an Australian Territory?

Shouldnt the Australian's be allowed to vote on whether they want that?

 

[serfty]

Yes, but they need 90% to make it a compulsory acquisition.

 

[NM]

Yes, but they need 90% to make it a compulsory acquisition.

Nahh, just make it a hostile tokeover and be done with it. Forget what the foreign investment review board says :!:

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I knew our overabundance of water would be a problem one day

 

[BlacKnox]

Wonder if surface transfers are allowed, and if so whether they count towards the mileage limit and as a sector? I'd assume if I went bne-mnl-hkg-bkk-bom (surface) del-nrt-kix-bne, that would be 8 sectors at 16,340miles, once JAL flights became operational from April...

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Wonder if surface transfers are allowed, and if so whether they count towards the mileage limit and as a sector? I'd assume if I went bne-mnl-hkg-bkk-bom (surface) del-nrt-kix-bne, that would be 8 sectors at 16,340miles, once JAL flights became operational from April...

India is not an allowable country for routing on this fare.

 

[simongr]

I would assume open jaw are also excluded from the mileage calcs.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I would assume open jaw are also excluded from the mileage calcs.

Why would you assume that? At least some (if not all) mileage based fares include surface segments in the mileage calculation - eg xGLOBxx, xRWSTARx. Surface segments are not counted for xONEx because it is not mileage based.

 

[serfty]

Wonder if surface transfers are allowed, and if so whether they count towards the mileage limit and as a sector? I'd assume if I went bne-mnl-hkg-bkk-bom (surface) del-nrt-kix-bne, that would be 8 sectors at 16,340miles, once JAL flights became operational from April...

I do not think the rules would vary dramatically from existing circle fares such as the circle pacific.

H. SURFACE TRAVEL AND USE OF THE CARRIERS BETWEEN INTERMEDIATE POINTS ALONG THE CIRCLE WHICH ARE NOT OPERATED BY QF/AA/AY/BA/CX/LA/LP IS PERMITTED AT PASSENGERS EXPENSE AND MUST BE TICKETED SEPARATELY. MILEAGE MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE MPM CALCULATION.

 

[drron]

One question - I couldnt see any D inventory on JL - do they use C instead?

I have just noticed that my flight on JAL on 17/4 has booked into D.However I now qualify for a seniors fare on JAL so I presume this is their discount business.The flight was booked back in october 2006 and was D then.

 

[simongr]

Why would you assume that? At least some (if not all) mileage based fares include surface segments in the mileage calculation - eg xGLOBxx, xRWSTARx. Surface segments are not counted for xONEx because it is not mileage based.

Mainly because I hadnt thought it through fully and it seemed crazy to me that you should count miles not travelled on a carrier as part of your mileage - I guess I still have much to learn...

 

[BlacKnox]

I do not think the rules would vary dramatically from existing circle fares such as the circle pacific.

Yep, thanks serfty that's what I assumed, such that miles would be included. I guess my real uncertainty lies in whether it's counted as a sector, i.e. given my previous itinerary, would that be 7 or 8 sectors?

Bummer about India's exclusion - cheers Kiwi Flyer.