One World Explorer

[Keith009]

Just got off the phone from AA RTW desk who tell me once I return from my LONE5 trip back to sydney, that I can't then use my sectors in Australia as my point of origin was Sydney.

That's odd as the ATW desk is usually very good at these things.
Try another AAgent.

Or ask the AAgent to quote you the part of the fare rule which forces the itinerary to end at point of origin. IIRC this was removed in 2004. Unless it was added back to the rules within the last 48 hrs. :shock:

 

[NM]

Make sure you are booking a OneWorld Explorer (xONEx fare basis) and not a OnwWorld Global Explorer fare (xGLOBxx fare basis). The Global Explorer cannot continue beyond the point of origin, while the OneWorld Explorer can continue so long as you don't exceed 4 sectors and 2 stopovers in the continent of origin.

As the AAgent to send you the far rules from the Star File that indicate what they are suggesting the rules state.

 

[Chazmen]

Thanks for your speedy responses NM and QF009,

Time is fo the essence as my hold on this itinerary lapses on the 9th of Oct and I still need to arrange for payment.

AA RTW desk is now telling me I cannot fly on my return SYD-CNS-SYD as it is in breach of rules, I thought this was only the case for a transcontinental flight such as SYD-Perth-SYD. Can someone please clarify?

1/ If the above is the case, where can I fly upon my return to use my Australian sectors?

2/ Also i was informed as my LONE5 was more than 15 sectors that my flights had to be ticketed and hence I had to pay at a travel agent, is this correct?

Thanks again.

 

[Dave Noble]

AA RTW desk is now telling me I cannot fly on my return SYD-CNS-SYD as it is in breach of rules, I thought this was only the case for a transcontinental flight such as SYD-Perth-SYD. Can someone please clarify?

I would suggest phoning back and asking another ATW agent since I am not aware of any rule changes which would inhibit this . SYD-CNS is not a restricted route

2/ Also i was informed as my LONE5 was more than 15 sectors that my flights had to be ticketed and hence I had to pay at a travel agent, is this correct?

I think that it is just that the ATW agent is thinking that there is no AA desk in Australia. If your itinerary has open segments or includes travel to non eticketable locations then a paper ticket will have to be issued; if you have > 16 segments then you will have to have a handwritten paper ticket

If a paper ticket is required, After phoning the Australia desk in India and payment is made , then one of the agents in Sydney will have the paper ticket printed/handwrie a ticket and post it to you

Dave

 

[Chazmen]

I think it comes down to interpreting this from the oneworld website:

"Not more than two Europe/Middle East flights may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Malta, Morocco, Funchal, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovenia,Tunisia, Ukraine, and the Middle East. Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. Within Australia only one flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney or between Darwin or Brisbane and Melbourne or Sydney."

I want to return to Australia (SYD) and then (Within a year from my deapture date as per rules) travel from SYD-CNS-SYD.

This is starting to get frustrating.....

 

[serfty]

I think it comes down to interpreting this from the oneworld website:

"Not more than two Europe/Middle East flights may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Malta, Morocco, Funchal, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovenia,Tunisia, Ukraine, and the Middle East. Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. Within Australia only one flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney or between Darwin or Brisbane and Melbourne or Sydney"

I want to return to Australia (SYD) and then (Within a year from my deapture date as per rules) travel from SYD-CNS-SYD.

This is starting to get frustrating.....

Not at all. That's free form text, look closely at the structure.

Within Australia only one flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney or between Darwin or Brisbane and Melbourne or Sydney.

If you look at the actual rule .pdf document (available online here) they state:

(j) Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service
    flight is permitted between the following points:

       BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
       MEL/SYD – DRW
       MEL/SYD - BME

There is NO reference to SYD-CNS or CNS-SYD. FWIW, that freeform text does not mention the BME related restrictions.
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[Chazmen]

Thanks Sefty.....

After much lively debate and AA RTW desk speaking to oneworld "tariff Agents" they finally agreed I could do so.

Finally bedded the trip down.....now just have to pay.

A huge Thankyou to everyone on this forum who have assisted!!!!

Chaz

 

[NM]

T.....now just have to pay.

Don't don't forget the most important part of the process .... enjoy the trip .

 

[Chazmen]

NM,

I was just reading your great post regarding your favoured seats in each aircraft.
http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/open-discussion/nms-favourite-seats-aircraft-6570.html

For both of my long haul flights SYD-LAX and LHR-SIN I'm flying Qantas. Both aircraft are listed as 747-400 but I have no further info on the particular model. I have been preallocated 35D on the SYD-LAX and 34C on the LHR-SIN.

1/ How do I find out more information on the particualr flights (model Number/Configuration)

2/ Can I change my preallocated seat to a better one (if available)? And how do I, bearing in mind I booked through AA?

Thanks

 

[serfty]

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IMO, in WHY, 35H is the best 3 class 744 seat on QF, followed by any of the 4 aisle exit row seats.

34C is front row bulkhead, 35D is second row aisle.

Look on QFlyer - Qantas Fleet Information or Flying with Us - In the Air - Seat Maps - Boeing 747-438 Longreach for more info on seats.

Use www.checkmytrip.com to get seat maps for your booking.

 

[tuapekastar]

Not at all. That's free form text, look closely at the structure.

If you look at the actual rule .pdf document (available online here) they state:

(j) Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service
    flight is permitted between the following points:
 
       BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
       MEL/SYD – DRW
       MEL/SYD - BME

There is NO reference to SYD-CNS or CNS-SYD. FWIW, that freeform text does not mention the BME related restrictions.
.

I think someone at oneworld, when creating the freeform text rules, presumably 'translating' the rules in the .pdf, may just have confused BME with BNE. Misleading for some potential xONExers.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Misleading for some potential xONExers.

OT:- tuapekastar How is the planning your *ONE* ?

 

[NM]

For both of my long haul flights SYD-LAX and LHR-SIN I'm flying Qantas. Both aircraft are listed as 747-400 but I have no further info on the particular model. I have been preallocated 35D on the SYD-LAX and 34C on the LHR-SIN.

SYD-LAX and LHR-SIN will both be operated by 3-class 747-400 aircraft. Serfty has already made a recommendation for you on seating on that aircraft.

1/ How do I find out more information on the particualr flights (model Number/Configuration)

You can use CheckMyTrip.com and your Aradeus booking reference to view the seatmap on-line and can compare that with the seat maps published on qantas.com.au. You may need to call Qantas to get your Amadeus booking reference as it will be different to the Sabre booking reference provided by AA. Qantas can provide it over the phone if you provide them your name, flight number and date of departure.

2/ Can I change my preallocated seat to a better one (if available)? And how do I, bearing in mind I booked through AA?

Providing you are booked on the QF flight number and not a codeshare flight number, then just call Qantas reservations and ask to alter your seat assignment.

 

[oz_mark]

Not at all. That's free form text, look closely at the structure.

If you look at the actual rule .pdf document (available online here) they state:

(j) Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service
    flight is permitted between the following points:
 
       BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
       MEL/SYD – DRW
       MEL/SYD - BME

There is NO reference to SYD-CNS or CNS-SYD. FWIW, that freeform text does not mention the BME related restrictions.
.

The Qantas text on flight limitations is:
Bookings - Flights - Round the World - oneworld Explorer - Fare from Australia

Within Australia only one non stop flight is permitted between Perth and Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney; or between Darwin and Melbourne or Sydney; or between Broome and Melbourne or Sydney. This restriction does not apply for passengers originating their travel in Perth or New Zealand when travelling to/from Africa on the Melbourne or Sydney to Perth direct flights.

The restriction from Broom makes much more sense

 

[tuapekastar]

OT:- tuapekastar How is the planning your *ONE* ?

Frustratingly slowly Mwenenzi (and thanks for asking ). The number of 'other people' in the travelling party is (potentially) expanding and of course everyone has their own ideas and few match mine (esp. the D class bit).

I have retained your (and others) suggestions, and am seriously considering the NRT option. Going to bite the bullet very soon, and if it doesn't suit other potential travellers on the trip, then I'll travel alone (but hook up with them at various times).

I suspect ultimately I'm just going to say "I'm doing this" you can join me or not.

And yes, I've left it later than I would have liked, but am flexible enough to be able to come up with something suitable.

 

[Chazmen]

The saga continues....

So my partner and I are very close to paying for our surprisingly cheap LONE5 fares (Strength of Aus Dollar maybe?).

My partner is leaving earlier and will use an extra segment in the USA. One query I have are the differences in price between our fares are ~ A$600? I understand using extra sector equals A$200, here are our itineraries:

Mine A$3800.70 - Leaving 13th Dec
SYD-LAX-BOS-JFK//LGA-TPA//MIA-SCL-PUQ-SCL-MDZ//GRU-MAD-BCN-MAD-LHR-SYD-CNS-SYD

Hers A$4388.60 - Leaving 6th Dec
SYD-LAX-DFW-TPA-MIA-BOS-JFK//LGA-TPA//MIA-SCL-PUQ-SCL-MDZ//GRU-MAD-BCN-MAD-LHR-SYD-CNS-SYD

Do you think the ~A$600 is attributable to her taking one extra sector in the USA and exceeding the maximum sectors by 1 (=21)?

Chaz

 

[Dave Noble]

The saga continues....

So my partner and I are very close to paying for our surprisingly cheap LONE5 fares (Strength of Aus Dollar maybe?).

My partner is leaving earlier and will use an extra segment in the USA. One query I have are the differences in price between our fares are ~ A$600? I understand using extra sector equals A$200, here are our itineraries:

Mine A$3800.70 - Leaving 13th Dec
SYD-LAX-BOS-JFK//LGA-TPA//MIA-SCL-PUQ-SCL-MDZ//GRU-MAD-BCN-MAD-LHR-SYD-CNS-SYD

Hers A$4388.60 - Leaving 6th Dec
SYD-LAX-DFW-TPA-MIA-BOS-JFK//LGA-TPA//MIA-SCL-PUQ-SCL-MDZ//GRU-MAD-BCN-MAD-LHR-SYD-CNS-SYD

Do you think the ~A$600 is attributable to her taking one extra sector in the USA and exceeding the maximum sectors by 1 (=21)?

Chaz

Well, if she is exceeding the 20 segment maximum, then there will be a sector in there that is having to be paid for separately and not part of the OWE. It is also possible that there is the $200 as well for exceeding the 6 sectors in the USA.

I suspect that the CNS-SYD is being charged and looking at the price of an L class CNS-SYD, that is $396.59 plus the $200 extra for the domestic sector giving a total charge of approx $600 extra

I would suggest trying to find a US sector that can be removed; the obvious candidate ( to me ) would be the TPA-MIA since a G class ticket can be purchased for around AUD120 separately from AA ; this should drop your LONE fare

if you do make this change, do either (a) just cancel and make a new booking and get totally repriced or (b) ensure that the ATW desk make sure to remove any of the extra fares/fees before sending to get the taxes calculated. If there is availability, (a) is the safest

Dave