O'Farrell suggests Canberra airport as Sydney's second airport

[AVC]

Can you do a status run on a train?

Why not just lengthen the two parallel runways and do all the take off and landings over the water? And Kurnell. That should at least reduce the number of whiners.

 

[clifford]

There was talk of a new airport on the flat plain on the south side of Goulburn (look to left when you drive south along the freeway at the second Goulburn exit).

Why not just upgrade Goulburn airport (I know it's not much of an airport at the moment, but there's a lot of flat land around there).

But the big problem is that it will be difficult and expensive to build a high speed rail line to Sydney. Difficult terrain and weak-minded politicians on all sides. And a 2.5 hour bus ride is no-one's idea of fun.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Since no one in Australia will ever have the political courage to build a second airport, why not do what has been done in cities such as HKG and build a third runway in the existing Sydney Airport - could be possible as Caltex plans to close Kurnell soon, or even by just extending the runways out further into Botany Bay.

Kurnell could still be a tank farm, so that might be a problem. There is talk of closing down the refining side of things, but the tanks will stay as it's cheaper to bring in a finished product from Singapore/Malaysia than refine here.

I was speaking to an operator at Caltex Banksmeadow recently (where the product goes to once it's refined at Kurnell and held there), he told me that they pump 'on average' 9 million litres of Jet A1 to Sydney Airport a day.

 

[Batesy]

Looking at my original post, I was too harsh in my wording and I apologise for offending anyone - it was by no means a personal attack.

To clarify I do think the curfew as it stands (be it because of location reasons of the airport or otherwise) is contributing to hindering growth. I still think limited departures in the 11pm-1am bracket should be allowed as a short-term measure, before a new airport is built. An approach like with HND in Tokyo that allows limited late night departures might be feasible. And this could be further reduced to certain types of aircraft to minimise noise disturbance, and only certain flight paths could be utilised to minimise noise disturbance also.

I just get a bit angry at some (not those on this forum) who oppose airports on noise grounds just for the sake of opposing airports without considering economic and social losses that may result.

Thanks for the apology and understanding your tone.
But seriously when talking about 11pm to 01am what suburb in Sydney do you live in and can I get a low altitude flight path above your place to Sydney or the new airport above that suburb?
Specifically above your house??
Try a 744 which is an aircraft that will be around for a long time on final above your place at 1am (forget the 787 or A380 as they represent a small number of SYD traffic) and see how you like it.

 

[moa999]

747-4 a long time?
SQ has dropped it.
QF is losing 6-8 this year and will be down to 9 in the medium term (don't think a deadline given)

 

[Sprucegoose]

Mascot was around long before the current residents were.!!

 

[harvyk]

Mascot was around long before the current residents were.!!

I have to agree with this, I would also take a guess that most of the current residents have moved in since the first jet services started flying to SYD...
It's not like they woke up one day and looked out the window puzzled because an airport had been built there overnight...

 

[Awesom Andy]

On a similar note, virtually all of the residents near the Badgerys Creek weren't there when the parcel of land was reserved for an airport, so current residents shouldn't have the right to complain if an airport is indeed going to be built there.

 

[JohnK]

You still believe that don't you ... and you believe nothing has changed since then ... I know you'll won't alter your view. However, I do not believe that to be the case.

It is irrelevant what I believe but by the same token things have indeed changed since.

The worse I notice these days is sometimes when the 747s land one after another in the mornings.

My biggest gripe is the people saying it is the residents' fault for buying a house near the airport. Rubbish. Make it so that all take-offs and landings are over Botany Bay and not the houses. Extend the runways if need be. It is not like Macquarie is not making enough. But that is another argument.

And going off-topic further the street my parents bought in was a very quiet residential street in 1974. Now it is one of the busiest streets in the area behind Canterbury Road. Blame that one on my parents as well.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I have to agree with this, I would also take a guess that most of the current residents have moved in since the first jet services started flying to SYD...
It's not like they woke up one day and looked out the window puzzled because an airport had been built there overnight...

They expect to live in a dynamic and vibrant city without noise!

Get real. Move to new Zealand?

What do the residents of lax and NYC get in terms of a hearing and compensation? I wonder?

 

[anat0l]

I know it's not quite right to bring up an old thread, but this probably sits best here:

Barry O'Farrell's Canberra airport plan dead | News.com.au

BARRY O'Farrell's plan to use Canberra as Sydney's second airport has crashed and burned after the state government agreed to a major housing development under the Canberra Airport flight path.

Planning Minister Brad Hazzard will announce the rezoning of South Tralee today for the building of up to 2000 homes, a development that has been the subject of conflict for more than a decade.

Mr Hazzard said the rezoning was necessary, as more housing is urgently needed in Queanbeyan.

Mr Hazzard said it was a "win win" for Canberra airport, allowing it to grow up to five times its current size and with no imposed curfews.

 

[Berlin]

I know it's not quite right to bring up an old thread, but this probably sits best here:

Barry O'Farrell's Canberra airport plan dead | News.com.au

A major housing development under the flight path? This just asks for court cases about "totally unexpected" noise above a residential zone! :shock::evil:

 

[browski]

Can the NSW residents answer this one query I have on the issue?
Looking from afar, it appears that with regards to convenience to SYD, both Newcastle (159 km / 2 hours) and Wollongong (86 km and 80 mins) are closer and more realistic alternatives than Canberra (290 km / 3 hr 16 min)

Avalon airport (called Melbourne's 2nd airport, but actually Geelong's airport) is 60 km / 50 min from MEL; with no high speed (or low speed) train.

So..........what is actually the problem with Wollongong or Newcastle as the destination? Certainly quicker from Wollongong to many parts of Sth and West Syd than from Mascot. Similarly, it would be quicker from Newcastle to many north SYD destinations than from Mascot.

 

[eastwest101]

So..........what is actually the problem with Wollongong or Newcastle as the destination? Certainly quicker from Wollongong to many parts of Sth and West Syd than from Mascot. Similarly, it would be quicker from Newcastle to many north SYD destinations than from Mascot.

It would be my guess - but at the moment the problem would be the current lack of services from Wollongong or Newcastle to many places. But I accept your point that if these airports were expanded and had more services then they may be viable alternatives as you suggest.

 

[Blinky]

It would be my guess - but at the moment the problem would be the current lack of services from Wollongong or Newcastle to many places. But I accept your point that if these airports were expanded and had more services then they may be viable alternatives as you suggest.

Correct. At least Canberra has a half decent terminal.

Personally, I think Newcastle is the best option. Heaps of land to allow an expansion. There will never be a second airport within the boundaries of Greater Sydney.

 

[Mattg]

I'm not really sure why the airport, and in particular Stephen Byron is investing so heavily in fighting the Tralee development. I hardly see how the development of 2000 more houses under the flight path will prevent the airport from expanding. There are already more than 10 000 homes under the flight path. I live in one of those houses and IMHO the aircraft noise is barely an issue. The only time I can hear planes from inside my house is when the thrice-weekly (4x weekly when parliament sits) 767 flies over, and even then there's no issues (and I'm rarely home when it happens anyway). In fact as an aviation enthusiast I quite like seeing planes from my house every now and again. I understand that SYD is a bit different. However, I don't see how 2000 extra homes here in CBR will stunt the growth of the airport.

 

[HarryB]

Do either Wollongong or Newcastle have curfews? Canberra doesn't which is why it's probably considered an option but realistically it's too far from Sydney. If they are going to add an airport they would be crazy to use or build one with a curfew, in my opinion.


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[HarryB]

Just checked, and no they don't. I bet there would be some intense lobbying for one if either were expanded


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[oz_mark]

Canberra doesn't

Build that housing estate, and it may well get one.

 

[Limewood]

Isn't the refinery at Kurnell closing?, if so new airport there, pay the local home owners market values and bingo