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Not turning up for a flight sector

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cssaus

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For April I'm booking an itinerary that involves Sydney to Boston and New York to Sydney booked in "B" class.

Getting from Boston to New York I can include as part of the booking a UA flt operated by US Airways but there may be a possibility that I could end up meeting a relative of mine and we end up doing a bit of a road trip that arrives back in NYC.

The question I have, if I were to book a BOS-LGA flt and decided not to take it, is it safe to just not turn up or do I have to call beforehand and cancel the sector? I want to make sure in no way do I jeopardise my JFK to SYD flight.
 

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I think missing a sector, no show, would cause the rest of the sectors on the ticket to be cancelled.

If you really need to have the BOS-LGA sector in there, just in case, then put it on a separate ticket. That way if you cancel it your original booking remains in tact.
 

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Agreed. Would be safer to book separately - if possible.

Though there always seems to be disagreement on the topic of auto-cancelling.

OW RTW tickets for example. I have heard many different stories.

1/ If you miss a sector, all remaining sectors cancel
2/ If you miss a sector, all remaining sectors with that particular airline cancel
3/ If you miss a sector, nothing happens

I think the possibility that it will cancel is absolutely ridiculous. You have paid for flights, whether you take them or not should be entirely up to you!
 

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Some tickets have clauses in them such as "Flight segments must be taken in the order that they appear" or similar.

The only (maybe) safe sector to skip is the last sector of the ticket. Even then, the airline's "Revenue Protection" type area may be in touch to discuss...
 

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Even then, the airline's "Revenue Protection" type area may be in touch to discuss...
What about them.... if you are a no-show and don't cancel your ticket at least 24 hours before departure (if your fare allows it) they still get your money.


Josh:p
 

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What about them.... if you are a no-show and don't cancel your ticket at least 24 hours before departure (if your fare allows it) they still get your money.


Josh:p
Not quite... One way fares can sometimes be double the cost of return tickets.

eg SYD - LAX with QF (QF11) leaving on the 12th may returning on the 25th of may is $1214, but doing the trip as a one way only (SYD-LAX on the 12th may on QF11 with no return) is a minimum of $1950.

Thus technically if you where to book a return ticket SYD-LAX but never fly on the return flight QF would be $736 out of pocket...
 

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I'm guessing that the BOS/LGA sector on UA/US must be included on the international ticket as part of the international fare. It would matter not if it was on a separate ticket - it would need to be a separate booking which I don't think it can be.

I wouldn't worry too much, personally if it was me I would keep the sector there, then if I decided not to use it would ring US or UA direct (not outbound carrier from Oz) and cancel with their reservations. I don't think they would give you any grief - after all you're just a punter who is letting them know in advance you're not travelling with them & his happy to forfeit the fare.

The important thing here is not to be a no-show as some airlines generate a message to the next carrier so the last thing you want is a "previous no-show" type comment in your JFK/SYD booking, particularly if the flight was overbooked you would be a dream come true.
 

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Agreed. Would be safer to book separately - if possible.

Though there always seems to be disagreement on the topic of auto-cancelling.

OW RTW tickets for example. I have heard many different stories.

1/ If you miss a sector, all remaining sectors cancel
2/ If you miss a sector, all remaining sectors with that particular airline cancel
3/ If you miss a sector, nothing happens

I think the possibility that it will cancel is absolutely ridiculous. You have paid for flights, whether you take them or not should be entirely up to you!
I did a DONE4 in 2007. LHR-HEL-FRA. Mist the Helsinki flight (only a transit anyway) had to fly direct. They just find you another flight and everything else remains intact. Other tickets may differ.

Another DONE4 in 2006 and I took the wrong train out of Shrewsbury, heading for Wales instead of Birmingham International and Frankfurt. Got out at Welshpool, rang flight Centre and they were able to book me on the flight next morning, but heroic efforts by a taxi driver and a £75 pound fare (and £15 tip) and i was able to make Birmingham by the skin of my teeth. They just put me back onto the flight. No worries, no cancellations.
 

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Not quite... One way fares can sometimes be double the cost of return tickets.

eg SYD - LAX with QF (QF11) leaving on the 12th may returning on the 25th of may is $1214, but doing the trip as a one way only (SYD-LAX on the 12th may on QF11 with no return) is a minimum of $1950.

Thus technically if you where to book a return ticket SYD-LAX but never fly on the return flight QF would be $736 out of pocket...

How... It's a one way sector anyway... could you explain it to me?
 

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jdevereux3 - Log onto the QF website and try a dummy booking, some bookings the cost of the flights will be the same be it one way or return, but for some flights the price the airline will charge is much higher if you select one way than return.

The same happens if you fly on AA2428. If you try to book a seat on this flight in Y from LAX - DFW on March 28 from the AA website, it costs $743.90. If you book a Y seat on this flight, and then connect to AA1238 DFW - MIA all on the one booking it only costs $568.90 for both flights combined, so $175 cheaper to not stay at DFW even though your still landing there.

I think it has something to do with ensuring planes either don't have to do too many empty "positioning" flights, and if they do have to they get reimbursed for doing so.
 

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I think it has something to do with ensuring planes either don't have to do too many empty "positioning" flights, and if they do have to they get reimbursed for doing so.
In the US a lot of it about the hub system of operation, where pay a premium to go point to point, and want to pay less to go via a hub, due to inconvenience. Airlines would lose revenue if people "threw away" the flight connection.

On the original topic, on an occasion in the past when I was unable to travel on one particular sector, the TA was able to convert the sector to a surface sector, maintaining the routing, and not requiring ticket reissue but without an obligation for me to turn up. Don't know if this still can be done, or indeed if it was legit at the time, but it worked!
 
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