Noise cancelling headphones, flight attendants and travelers who are tools...

[mannej]

It is possible that SMSing caused a plane to crash in Switzerland, the plane made two unexpected course changes leading to a crash that were linked to SMS transmission times sent by a PAX. However, it is likely for most low power devices (NC headphones for example) that it's irrelevant, but radio transmitters (like mobile phones) are definately a hazard.

Aircraft instrumentation systems are supposed to be insulated against inteference, but the safety mantra is such that in cause that interference does occur anyway, switch of radio transmitters.

Sorry to be a pain, but can you quote where you got this info from, and what crash you are referring to? It may be one that I have not come across yet.

BTW welcome to AFF CthulhuDreams

 

[taswegian77]

My travellers who are tools award goes to the guy on a recent DJ MELSYD flight who decided that the offerings on DJ trolley service didnt quite meet his tastes in alcoholic beverages so decided to BYO.
Yes, byo cans. Half way through his (first??) it was confiscated by the FA and told no BYO alcohol is allowed. Clearly this guy didn't care as five minutes later he cracks open number two. As the FAs had passed he enjoyed another can. I don't know how he got these on the flight? And obviously the pax next to him were either family or just simply couldn't give a ****. Well done for $7 sir..

i guess there is no law about taking unopened liquor onboard but cracking them open, there is arrogance... I would of had him arrested at the other end if that was allowed.

 

[markis10]

Sorry to be a pain, but can you quote where you got this info from, and what crash you are referring to? It may be one that I have not come across yet.

BTW welcome to AFF CthulhuDreams

CRX498 - the pilots phone got a SMS at the same time as the autopilot failed, the official investigation did not mention this but another did: Mobile phone suspected in plane crash inquiry

It did cause more rigid regs to come into force in many countries.

 

[notzac]

My travellers who are tools award goes to the guy on a recent DJ MELSYD flight who decided that the offerings on DJ trolley service didnt quite meet his tastes in alcoholic beverages so decided to BYO.
Yes, byo cans. Half way through his (first??) it was confiscated by the FA and told no BYO alcohol is allowed. Clearly this guy didn't care as five minutes later he cracks open number two. As the FAs had passed he enjoyed another can. I don't know how he got these on the flight? And obviously the pax next to him were either family or just simply couldn't give a ****. Well done for $7 sir..

:shock: ... Classy!

 

[medhead]

I don't know how he got these on the flight? And obviously the pax next to him were either family or just simply couldn't give a ****. Well done for $7 sir..

I've been shipping empty cans from SYD to ADL for 17 weeks. Security don't even bat an eyelid. No one else even checks. Not really a surprise that he got the cans on board.

By my sums he only saved $3. bottle shop can cost $2 x2 = $4. of course, i take cans on my flight to get $0.40 (for the kids!) so $3........

 

[nlagalle]

My travellers who are tools award goes to the guy on a recent DJ MELSYD flight who decided that the offerings on DJ trolley service didnt quite meet his tastes in alcoholic beverages so decided to BYO.
Yes, byo cans. Half way through his (first??) it was confiscated by the FA and told no BYO alcohol is allowed. Clearly this guy didn't care as five minutes later he cracks open number two. As the FAs had passed he enjoyed another can. I don't know how he got these on the flight? And obviously the pax next to him were either family or just simply couldn't give a ****. Well done for $7 sir..

That will be due to lquor licensing rules. The aircraft is a licensed "venue" as such for the sale of alcohol. There is no provision for BYO (and why would the pay extra for you to byo and not buy).

 

[nlagalle]

6 flights in the last 2 weeks, only asked twice to take my headphones off - which i did without question.

I asked one of the FA's why, out of curiosity and she mentioned something to do with an engineers report and there would be more info in a week or 2. she didn't understand the ruling herself and commented it would probably go back to normal in a couple of weeks.

 

[nlagalle]

ok spoke to a mate who is a QF pilot.

He response was it is some pen pusher's idea with nothing better to do. hopefully it will go away...

 

[Worldtraveller8888]

My understanding is that noise cancelling headsets have been reclassified (at QF at least) as an electronic device that is unrestricted from use. Similar to a calculator and camera.

The 'pen pusher' referred to above clearly does some work !

WT

 

[milehighclub]

An official order has now come out allowing the use of noise canceling headsets during all phases of flight. After being reviewed and risk-assessed by various stakeholders they are now a Class 1 device.

However noise canceling headsets can only be used during taxi, take off and landing if connected to the aircraft IFE

 

[Aussie_flyer]

An official order has now come out allowing the use of noise canceling headsets during all phases of flight. After being reviewed and risk-assessed by various stakeholders they are now a Class 1 device.

However noise canceling headsets can only be used during taxi, take off and landing if connected to the aircraft IFE

If true, good news. Common sense prevails. Now AFF'ers wont have to dob anyone in to the flight attendant or shout across the aisle at people with NC headphones on

 

[rwatts]

Yes, good common sense.

milehighclub, is there perhaps a reference to the order that we could cite in case of cabin crew who may not have read it ?

Richard.

 

[under the radar]

If true, good news. Common sense prevails. Now AFF'ers wont have to dob anyone in to the flight attendant or shout across the aisle at people with NC headphones on

yes..this is confirmed..but please note only can be used during taxi, takeoff, landing if connected to a/c IFE...for safety (so you can still hear any announcements that are made by cabin/flight crew)

 

[under the radar]

Yes, good common sense.

milehighclub, is there perhaps a reference to the order that we could cite in case of cabin crew who may not have read it ?

Richard.

this is an 'order' that ALL cabin crew must have read before they sign on for their duty.. so every cabin crew member must be aware of this order..

 

[737]

Yes, good common sense.

milehighclub, is there perhaps a reference to the order that we could cite in case of cabin crew who may not have read it ?

Richard.

A copy of the 'Cabin Standing Orders (CSO's)' (temporary changes to procedures) are kept on the plane, and once a manual renewal comes around, they are incorporated in the Ops Manual which is also kept on the plane. (However, CSO's may not get updated on the plane til it moves through Sydney I think'

So we do have reference material on the plane if the need be arise.

Great to hear this, saves a LOT of confusion

 

[nlagalle]

A copy of the 'Cabin Standing Orders (CSO's)' (temporary changes to procedures) are kept on the plane, and once a manual renewal comes around, they are incorporated in the Ops Manual which is also kept on the plane. (However, CSO's may not get updated on the plane til it moves through Sydney I think'

So we do have reference material on the plane if the need be arise.

Great to hear this, saves a LOT of confusion

I do hope this is the case, I am flying tomorrow and will test it out. Last week on my flight home from SYD the CSO said it was a CASA requirement that they must be switched off.. I thought, that's news to me..

Will report tomorrow.

 

[Voyages]

I still experienced some inconsistency regarding the use of N/C headphones.

On QF766 to SYD last night, the CSM explicitly announced that we could use the N/C headphones at all times, as long as it's connected to the entertainment system.

On QF21 to NRT, the CSM emphasised that all N/C headphones must be turned off during taxi, take-off and landing.

 

[Maca44]

Yesterday spoke with a friend who is a GSM with QF and he explained when pax are using NC in ear/headphones that they can not hear announcements to turn off all electrical/ipod etc equipment, and the FA's then walk around the aircraft tapping pax on the shoulder and asking them to do so. He said pax who are connected to the entertainment system can hear the announcements, but the FA's still check to see if they are connected. He said these rules are there in the event the captain needs to give instructions to pax for an emergency. He also agreed that even though each GSM is given updates on QF procedures there is a lot of confusion between crews.

 

[Chicken or Beef]

Easy . . . just do what you're instructed to do by the people who work on the plane!

Have heard that QF has a new system of noting incidents with difficult pax - ends up on a file which can be accessed when determining which pax get complimentary upgrades. Incidents can occur on the ground at checkin, lounges or in the air!

 

[getchill]

I use my NC headphones (connected to the flight ent. system) on every flight during take-off and landing, and have never been asked to turn them off.

Obviously after take-off, they get plugged in to my iPod.