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I would think the future of air travel, for flights under 4 hours, is the LCC model, with only a few exceptions, which are covered at Qantas Group by - QantasLink & CityFlyer.
In whose view are these “key routes”? Golden Triangle & Transcontinental are key routes (domestic), but Qantas is polite enough to encourage Adelaide & Canberra to think they are at a similar level. (Maybe TSV?!?!)
One might argue that “on the ground” service levels have increased massively for premium customers. Now hosting separated lounge experiences in SYD, MEL, BNE, and brand new in CBR plus next year something in PER too. I don’t have access to the Chairman’s Lounge, but the work going on in SYD T3 at the moment looks extensive from the outside. Of course “in the air” a lack of competition and a “Cost Cutting Culture” has lead to a poorer premium product.
The pitch is less than 10% tighter on a JQ A320 than a QF B737, some people just like to complain.
As for “zero service”, I would argue in defence of SusanS’s original position – I find Jetstar’s in-air service standards to be the best of all the major domestic jet airlines. Some "in the air" examples –
Of course there are things I dislike about Jetstar, for example the new CEO is an idiot, having reprioritised seat allocation to a new family first policy. This includes Qantas Club/Business Lounges being locked out of exit row allocation. Joyce had a good grasp of what frequent fliers wanted from his airline; whereas this new guy is an idiot.
- consistency in friendly/warm welcome on board - every flight. (Although I do like the Virgin & Qantas “welcome back [insert name]” AND this is rather obviously missing in the Jetstar experience.)
- exit row storage issue (i.e. no under seat stowage allowed) all airlines make an announcement, only JQ have a service standard where the FA will take the items from you, place them overhead and then as soon as the seat belt sign is off, return to you and ask if you would like them to fetch anything from the overhead bins for you.
- Staff focussed on thanking you on deplaning. Staff on some airlines have so much attitude that they pretend to be looking away or doing something else when you deplane. It is deliberate, it is noticeable and it is poor quality service. The type of FAs who do this, tend not to be employed at Jetstar.
- Tray table clearing on Jetstar is more like five star restaurant service, I often find my left over bits/packaging removed without any involvement from me. Where as on Virgin, if you don’t hand it to a FA they won’t reach over and take it (even though they; 1. obviously see it, 2. you have positioned it in a way to demonstrate it is rubbish), and at Qantas I have been yelled at for not putting my rubbish into the placemat bag.
In regards to Virgin Blue, and its “new business/corporate” approach, it will be a long hard slog for them, working uphill all the way. There are just too many reasons not to fly them.
BULLSH!T. Any industry where a single player (Qantas Group) commands over 30% market share (domestic) is a failure of market economic principles, in my opinion. Qantas Group needs stifling regulation!
Thanks for the input, Comint!
Please consider a few observations:
-sadly, I think your prediction on LLC for under 4 hr flights out of the golden triangle may be correct
- as far as defining "key" routes are concerned my understanding is that the OOL-SYD sector is one of the most frequented in the country (so removing QF services represents a QF/JQ mindset of OOL being only a holiday destination not an appreciation of the potential product suite for that market!).
- I have yet to visit the new domestic J lounges. Others have reported that in most cases the combined lounge floor areas haven't changed so I'm not clear how this alleviates a commonly observed complaint of lounge over crowding. Now if you'd cited the F lounges in SYD and MEL.....
- the new lounges aren't going to hide the reality of declining domestic J product standards against a 60% fare hike in a few years
- 10% difference in pitch is about 3 inches, a significant amount. The pitch is also calculated as an average. Another thread explores this with seat maps and pitch calculations (real, not average) provided by CrazyDave (intriguingly showing that the DJ product wins out domestically for 737/A320 class jets).
- my no service comment was reporting the experiences of many travellers to CNS who have been led to believe they were travelling here from Europe on full service QF aircraft. If you've paid top dollar for full service Y, that's exactly what you should get, not a palm off onto a LCC Jetsar A320 with an unexpected stop in DRW.
- if you're having your tray etc cleared on a Deathstar flight it means you've paid extra cash for it (or are sitting in Starclass) and are one of just a few folk on the aircraft that they have to "service" with catering (a fraction of the clear up after a QF meal service).
- Personally (and appreciating that experiences differ) I haven't had any issues which would especially demarcate my experience as a customer between Deathstar and QF in terms of everyday courtesies. I have had QF cabin staff go out of their way to look after me.