New Adelaide Qantas Club & Business Lounge

[AIRwin]

Tipping AKL or SIN.

Reported as NZ

 

[RooFlyer]

Reported as NZ

Wonder if the on-board service will be better than the east-coast to NZ flights (ie pretty much domestic).

 

[SYD]

Wonder if the on-board service will be better than the east-coast to NZ flights (ie pretty much domestic).

They have been for as long as I can recall. Even when the 747 bounced through AKL to EZE, you’d have a slightly better version of Dom J on the TT, then the Longhaul service thereafter.

I’m in the middle of a CX trip to China and the “regional” service is similar to TT v proper service Oz<->HKG.

 

[RooFlyer]

They have been for as long as I can recall. Even when the 747 bounced through AKL to EZE, you’d have a slightly better version of Dom J on the TT, then the Longhaul service thereafter.

I was meaning with the longer flight time - but then the Bali services are about the same!

 

[jase05]

Wonder if the on-board service will be better than the east-coast to NZ flights (ie pretty much domestic).

We are currently stuck with NZ’s Y only rubbish if we want to fly direct so it’s better than nothing I guess.
No international lounge access and recliner J seats puts it on par with the VA flights to Bali

 

[anat0l]

I was meaning with the longer flight time - but then the Bali services are about the same!

I'm going to go with no, and you kind of exemplified why, though Bali services get a mini-service prior to landing (or I'm guessing so, even if serviced with a 737 rather than 330), cf. domestic services that only have one service and that's it.

In any case, a new non-stop service is better than none at all?

 

[DC3]

The idea of heading to SIN on a 738 makes me depressed.

Maybe a workable Jetstar route from ADL.

 

[anat0l]

Maybe a workable Jetstar route from ADL.

Might be a target for A321s once they get up.

I'm going to guess that ADL-SIN is no problem to fill up (even just ADL itself without DRW), but filling it going the other way is a challenge (I wonder if a similar problem is besetting the DRW-SIN services).

Notwithstanding SQ offering a non-stop service, I don't know how painful ADL passengers believe it is to fly the extra ~1 h to MEL or ~2 h to SYD in order to get to SIN (or any other array of more destinations).

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

I would say, it would either be the A321neo borrowed from JQi and repained.
Or an A220 new.
Wouldnt be my beloved older bird(y) A330 or newer B787, thats for sure.
Seeing AirNZ uses the narrow body as well from ADL - AKL, most likely QF will do this too, ie, the narrow body, maybe 3 days a week.
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At least now, when it starts, there is the/an option of paying for J ADL - AKL (direct), either for the space, or because your employer/payer is paying, better that being stuck in the middle of the A321neo/A320 that AirNZ flies ADL - AKL.
Or buying a comfort seat booking on QF.
Or the fact that QFF points dont expire, so long as there is activity, vs AirNZs Airpoints $ that will expire, 4 years after accrual, and can only use it for seat selection, cant use Airpoint $ for part fare payment, for us Aus residents, think NZ residents can do part pay, ie, 20% points and 80% cash/card.

 

[jase05]

Notwithstanding SQ offering a non-stop service, I don't know how painful ADL passengers believe it is to fly the extra ~1 h to MEL or ~2 h to SYD in order to get to SIN (or any other array of more destinations).

The QF loyalists would probably move to the service but SQ has looked after us pretty good in ADL and I suspect many would stick with them.
Personally after the way QF has treated us over the years I wouldn’t fly with them Internationally out of ADL but others will of course

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Unless you earn and burn SQ KF miles very regularly, within its 3 years life span, that FF system is still a bit lower down, in my pov.
If I wanted to go to SIN, I would still go with QF via MEL/SYD/PER, as QFF points will always live on, so long as there is activity.
Pity that SQ KF and AirNZ Airpoint $ have very hard rules, re 3 and 4 years of expire, re their FF points.
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QF ADL - PER - SIN is still not all that bad, seeing that in PER, T4 and T3 are just next door, same as MEL, just next door.
SYD and BNE are a bit more troublesome to get from int - dom and vv.

 

[anat0l]

Unless you earn and burn SQ KF miles very regularly, within its 3 years life span, that FF system is still a bit lower down, in my pov.

Pity that SQ KF and AirNZ Airpoint $ have very hard rules, re 3 and 4 years of expire, re their FF points.

A bit off topic, but if you do fly SQ, you don't have to earn and burn to KrisFlyer. You could simply choose Velocity instead, or consider another Star Alliance program that doesn't do hard expiry of miles, e.g. Air Canada.

 

[comforttravel]

I recall when there were ADL-AKL and ADL-SIN direct non-stop flights.
For ADL-AKL, all Qantas did was to utilise a 737 that would have sat on the tarmac overnight during the Adelaide curfew (2300-0600). I can't remember the exact scheduling but it was something like,
ADL-AKL 2100-0350 (flight time 4h20m) and AKL-ADL 0500-0730 (flight time 5h00m).
0350 NZ time equals 0120 Adelaide time so your body clock time was really stressed. Also who wants to arrive at their Auckland accommodation at that early time. The scheduling was so unpopular that the flights were soon dropped. If this new QFi is announced this week with this type of scheduling, I fear the same fate will follow.
The ADL-SIN old scheduling was also very unpopular. The return flight leaving SIN non-stop to ADL would have arrived too early to comply with the curfew, so it called into Darwin for a short stop just long enough to have its arrival into ADL soon after 0600. Passengers didn't like being woken for the Darwin landing/take off and de-planed, and this scheduling soon led to the demise of this flight.

Let's see if Qantas have enough memory not to repeat bad scheduling.

 

[Chrizztofa]

I recall when there were ADL-AKL and ADL-SIN direct non-stop flights.
For ADL-AKL, all Qantas did was to utilise a 737 that would have sat on the tarmac overnight during the Adelaide curfew (2300-0600). I can't remember the exact scheduling but it was something like,
ADL-AKL 2100-0350 (flight time 4h20m) and AKL-ADL 0500-0730 (flight time 5h00m).
0350 NZ time equals 0120 Adelaide time so your body clock time was really stressed. Also who wants to arrive at their Auckland accommodation at that early time. The scheduling was so unpopular that the flights were soon dropped. If this new QFi is announced this week with this type of scheduling, I fear the same fate will follow.
The ADL-SIN old scheduling was also very unpopular. The return flight leaving SIN non-stop to ADL would have arrived too early to comply with the curfew, so it called into Darwin for a short stop just long enough to have its arrival into ADL soon after 0600. Passengers didn't like being woken for the Darwin landing/take off and de-planed, and this scheduling soon led to the demise of this flight.

Let's see if Qantas have enough memory not to repeat bad scheduling.

What could a potential SIN-ADL schedule look like given the curfew? Except for QF38 (second daily MEL) QF flights depart SIN around 19:30-21:00 to connect with QF2 arriving at 17:25 (as well as the AF and KL codeshares arriving in the mid-afternoon). Could it stand alone as an O&D flight, perhaps on the A321XLR?