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Again, thanks for the kind rsponses.

I sat down today and gave this some thought & soul searching. I wrote down my thoughts, fears etc. Surprisingly, the crash wasnt one.

This is what I wrote:

What are my fears:

1. The small space, being confined. The tight space.

Solution: think about the destination: London, Paris & The Eloian Islands. I felt better. Take some meds eg Valium.

2. The cramped seat, uncomfortable (I'm 5'8), so uncomfortable & fearful.

Solution: distraction, movies, mp3, maybe reading and possible a walk to the back to stretch the legs (if possible).

3. Fear of the fear. Fearing that I will get scared, faced with the cramped conditions and closed into the small space.

Solution: Again, meds might help and maybe distraction.


When I wrote these I began to feel a little calmer. I still have a couple of more questions that I need to know.
 
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O/T but I always put on Aircrash Investigation before my wife has to fly :D

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I watched a ACI 'marathon' on SKY in the UK before doing the Kangaroo hop once. LOL. What l heard throughout the series was a "The Swiss Cheese Effect". Basically, a few systems can go wrong, but it has to be in sequence and in at a certain time frame before anything drastic will happen. The holes in the 'Swiss Cheese' have to line up....and we all know what Swiss Cheese looks like.
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The best advice was given to you near the start of the thread. Do the QF Fear of Flying course. There are many people like yourself. The course is run by professionals who have been running it for many years.

Do not drink too much, or drug yourself out of it. Or worse still mix the two (and then perhaps become a problem).

The whole experience of flying in a very large aircraft is quite different to flying in something smaller.

Remember that anything you read in the media is designed to sell 'media'. It has nothing to do with any sort of facts.

The A380 is a large, smooth and safe aircraft. So is the 747. I wouldn't hesitate to fly on either (and I'll be off to London tomorrow in a 380).
 
My solution in red - (tongue-in-cheek reply here)

What are my fears:

1. The small space, being confined. The tight space.

Solution: think about the destination: London, Paris & The Eloian Islands. I felt better. Take some meds eg Valium. Drink more and you'll dream of some even more exotic destinations....There have been reports of people in F trying to break records for the most amount of Dom drank on certain sectors, so don't feel ashamed on asking for your 2nd beverage (I think one guy got up to 9 bottles, crazy).

2. The cramped seat, uncomfortable (I'm 5'8), so uncomfortable & fearful.

Solution: distraction, movies, mp3, maybe reading and possible a walk to the back to stretch the legs (if possible). I'm the same height. Apply more booze till you can't feel below the knee. You'll be right.

3. Fear of the fear. Fearing that I will get scared, faced with the cramped conditions and closed into the small space.

Solution: Again, meds might help and maybe distraction. More Booze

As jb747 said, candy flipping isn't a good idea. But, hey, you never know...
 
Ok, so it sounds like you are trying to rationalise and methodically go through your concernes. Great stuff.

Looking at your list and reading other responses my suggestion is to keep doing what you are doing, challenge yourself to articulate exactly what it is stresses you and then do the course jb747 recommended.

Despite all the kids trying to help, getting hammered on a flight is not really all that much fun. I am sure the suggestions are being made with good intent, just don't execute ;) leave that to the professions :D

After all this, book with an airline that will allow you to pay for an exit row seat. You appear to be a little claustrophobic and unable to afford / justify the step to premium so this is a good mid point. For less than a couple of hundred you can double your room and have a lot more open space around you. Who knows, maybe if you do the course mentioned above to fee may be waived. I have no experience in this though so the suggestion to call the airline is a great one.

Hope it all works out for you.
 
I would just like to ask a couple of things;

1. I few to Melb on a 737 400 and it was terrible. OK. On the return I was on a larger plane, I think an A330 with two engines from qantas. The configuration was 2-4-2. It was a much larger plane and my daughter and I had two seats near the window. This was a much better experience.

My question is, is this type of seating what I am likely to get on a 747 or A380 ?

2. I know there isnot that much space in economy and the aisles are narrow, but can you walk a little or stand during the flight ?

Thanks guys.
 
On both the QF A380 and B747 you'll get 3-4-3 seating, and yes it is very possible to get up and walk around (infact they encourage you to do so)

Also on both those aircraft types, the cabins do feel very big and spacious (roughly 6 meters wide on both a/c types, the A380 is a little wider than the B747), unlike the B737's which can feel quite cramped.
 
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Hi,

I came across this site and have been reading, very interesting & informative.

My issue is that I need to fly to London, family committments my wife needs to attend to. I am very, very nervous.

My wife wants to go by Qantas as she has gone to london with them in 2010 on a 747. She said it was OK.

I dont want to go Qantas. Why, because every 2nd day I hear a bad story, especially relating to engines. I mean, I never hear of other airlines having these issues. The only one was Cathay a few days ago. Qantas seem plagued by problems, often relating to their engines.

A friend suggested Singapore, but I dont know if their pilots are as good as Qantas. To me Qantas have the better pilots but worse planes.

So I was thinking British Airways as I never hear of any dramas with them, not via the news, only by googling. Still, they seem safe.

Next I would be in economy and wonder if its too claustraphobic inside the A380 cabin ?

Now I have only flown once, to Melb from Syd last year in a 737 400 with Qantas. I hated it, no risk. It was very, very cramped and I had a bumpy ride. It was awful.

Any suggestions, advice, warning or help would be really appreciated.


I have flown on Qantas, British Airways, Singapore Airlines, United Airlines and Air Canada several times on long-haul flights (10hrs plus) mostly to UK/US/Canada and I can say Qantas has been the best by far. Also their A380 is much much quieter and much more comfortable than the 747 and I haven't been able to fault any of their service either, they were all very professional and friendly. Unfortunately I can't say the same for the other airlines, especially the US ones, although they were not 'bad' per say, Qantas was a lot lot better.

Economy seats may feel a little cramped but if you try keep yourself busy with watching movies, reading and walk around the plane, it's not so bad. If you can afford it, you may want to travel Premium economy or Business to get a bit more space. If you can't, then as some have suggested, you can pay a little extra for exit row or the bulkhead seats which are both really good, you get extra leg room and you can easily get up without disrupting your fellow passengers. I always try to go for the bulkhead ones if they are available.

As the others say, the media always tries to exaggerate things and make it sound a lot more dramatic. It is a lot safer traveling by plane than car anyway! :D
 
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As for premium, it sounds good but its just way too expensive, if it was a few hundred more, then yeah.

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You might like to book the exit row (+ $160).

It may take away some of the claustraphobia feeling which can make fear of flying worse.
 
You might like to book the exit row (+ $160).

It may take away some of the claustraphobia feeling which can make fear of flying worse.

Are these bulkhead rows hard to get or do you specify when booking / Also, as they dont have a seat in front, do they still have the entertainment systems ?
 
Are these bulkhead rows hard to get or do you specify when booking / Also, as they dont have a seat in front, do they still have the entertainment systems ?

Usually these are reserved for Platinum FF's
 
Usually these are reserved for Platinum FF's

With Qantas, you can select your seat in advance online and purchase those seats for some extra $$ usually around $150 I think, (provided they are available) but most flights usually have a few of those free.
 
Are these bulkhead rows hard to get or do you specify when booking / Also, as they dont have a seat in front, do they still have the entertainment systems ?

As noted, bulkheads can be hard to get without some form of status (usually Plat or Gold).

The entertainment system folds out of the armrest (rather than in the seat in front).
 
Well maybe those bulkhead seats are not for us. There will be four of us travelling.

Has anybody flown the Qantas A330 (2 engines) Iflew this from Melbourne and was wondering how the sea space compared to economy in an A380 or 747 ?
 
Well maybe those bulkhead seats are not for us. There will be four of us travelling.

Has anybody flown the Qantas A330 (2 engines) Iflew this from Melbourne and was wondering how the sea space compared to economy in an A380 or 747 ?

I've flown on all three... I personally found the seat space the most cramped on the A380 given the recline of the seat in front (that problem was fixed by reclining my seat all the way back and then watching movies \ sleeping)... The A330 and B747 was pretty much the same. That said, the plane I've felt most cramped on is the B737 (ignoring Dash 8's), as my knee presses into the seat in front. I've never had that problem on a QF widebody.

All that said, I've never felt crowded in, and I'm a good 4 inchs taller than you.
 
Has anybody flown the Qantas A330 (2 engines)

What's the relevance of the '2 engines' comment?

I do feel for you in this. I spent an hour on a flight yesterday, talking to a very nervous flyer. This particular person was an emergency medicine doctor. She works, every day, in situations that most of us would never experience. But, when it comes to flying, sadly, nobody is immune to their fears. Much of it is related to lack of knowledge..."what is that bump or noise?", and that's something we can readily discuss with people, and hopefully help them with. As she was flying alone, we got one of the stewards to sit with her during the approach, to at least provide a running explanation, and a bit of reassurance. Actually, I thought she was very brave in the way she was fighting to handle her fear.

1. Do a fear of flying course. They will help.
2. Do not drink (or at least very little). It does not help, and may cause other issues.
3. Speak to your doctor about any anxiety medications. It may help, but don't mix with alcohol.
4. Tell the crew. They will do all they can to help, but can't do so if not told.
5. Remember that you are not alone. So don't be embarrassed by it. I'd guess that about 30% (a lot anyway) of all passengers suffer from some level of anxiety on flights.
 
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Here are some tips and hopefully they help:

1. Turbulence may feel uncomfortable, but it is normal.
People often misunderstand turbulence. When encountering turbulence, nervous passengers feel the plane is "falling" out of the sky. It is natural for them to only feel the "down" bumps. But for every "down" there is an "up" bump. The "downs" are just more easily noticed. Next time you are driving on a bumpy road, imagine you are a passenger on a plane and how you would consider it to be "bad" turbulence. Now take a look at the road. How big are the bumps on the roadway to create the rough ride? The air is usually very smooth. But sometimes some small ripples can make it feel like "bad" turbulence!
2. The plane is strong, stable, reliable, and well maintained.
The Civil Aviation Authority mandates that modern jet aircraft are designed and built with large safety margins. All aircraft and their equipment are built from Civil Aviation Authority approved designs and manufactured under Civil Aviation Authority approved systems. Coming out of the factory, the planes are thoroughly flight tested before certification by the Civil Aviation Authority. Structurally, these aircraft can withstand many times the stresses and forces which can be imposed upon them in flight. Remember, airplanes are MEANT to be in the air. That’s where they’re happiest!
3. Trust the well trained and experienced crew.
When you board the plane mention to the flight attendants that sometimes you get a little nervous about flying, and ask if you may visit with the pilots. This is very important! The pilots are happy to have visitors, the flight attendants know this. You might be surprised at how receptive the pilots will be. Ask questions and mention your nervousness, they will understand and reassure you. The pilot's confidence is contagious. Now you have a friend up front who knows and cares about you! But remember, visits to the coughpit can ONLY be made on the ground, not during taxi or in flight. From Personnel, to Air Traffic Controllers, to Aircraft Mechanics, to the Flight Crew, there is no industry in the world with better trained, tested, skilled, and motivated professionals than the people in the airline industry.
4. Trust the airline industry.
Airlines insure your safe and secure flying experience by monitoring, inspecting and certifying the people who work in safety related areas of aviation. Aviation is "black and white". There are no "maybes". Either it is 100% safe, or we don't do it. You may have heard the saying, "Safety is no accident". Each worker takes pride in his or her own work and keeps an eye on others. Because we understand the importance of our work on the safety of others, we will not tolerate anything less than perfection!
5. Flying is routine, here's proof.
Many people take comfort in going to the local airport to watch all the planes takeoff and land. After a while you begin to see that the flight operations are indeed routine. Others like to study the ARRIVAL and DEPARTURE monitors in the airport terminal to see just how many flights operate safely. Did you know that worldwide nearly 3 million passengers fly every day?
6. Positive Thinking.
Always try to keep your thoughts in the present. Keep your thoughts positive. When you catch yourself thinking negatively, stop, and concentrate on the positive. Many people dwell on what might happen instead of what is happening. It can be easy to play a "disaster movie" in your mind and you are the in the starring role! When you catch yourself starting the production of one of these imaginary "disaster movies" turn off the projector. Try to occupy your mind with something more constructive. Read, do a puzzle, strike up a conversation.
7. Tense Your Muscles.
Be aware of your body. When you feel muscles that are tense or tight, you can relax them. Instead of fighting the tightness, show your muscles whose boss! You tense your muscles! You take control! Go ahead and tighten your stomach muscles or your leg muscles. Then pause and let go. You will be surprised at how your muscles feel warm and relaxed, and you once again feel in control.
8. Overactive Imagination.
Quite often people who have a fear of flying also have a strong or overactive imagination. For example, they might hear an unfamiliar noise during the flight, and begin imagining what might be wrong with the plane to cause this noise. Or, they may believe in "signs" or "premonitions" that their plane will crash. For example, they might have a dream, or hear a song on the radio about a plane crash. Odds are, you are not psychic! Remind yourself of this fact, and focus on reality.
9. How to deal with nervous feelings.
When you feel afraid, your breathing quickens and your heart races. To calm yourself, first push your stomach outward. Take a slow, deep breath through your nose. Try to fill your lungs from the bottom up. Pause, and then exhale slowly. Do this a couple of times and you'll feel much better. Practice your controlled breathing whenever you can. Try it whenever you feel tense. Slow, deep breathing is the easiest and most effective method for calming yourself.
10. Even if you feel panicky, it cannot hurt you or cause you to lose control.
Remember that fear is a normal reaction to a perceived threat. Once you learn the threat really isn't dangerous, the fear naturally goes away. Fear itself is not harmful, it is meant to protect us. A panic attack will not make you have a heart attack, faint, or lose control. That is how we are programmed. Fear acts as our defense mechanism. It prepares us to fight or flee.
 
hi Slats,

Thanks so much for the info, I have read and reread it and found it very reassuring. I will print off a copy and keep it with me as a reference.

Thanks for the help.
 
hi Slats,

Thanks so much for the info, I have read and reread it and found it very reassuring. I will print off a copy and keep it with me as a reference.

Thanks for the help.

Glad I could help! Best of luck with your flying.
 
I too am a nervous flyer but even though I do alot it doesn't make it any easy for me. I read and listen to music so I don't have to listen to the engine. Agree with other readers qantas does have a good record and they at least do something about there problems. There are other carriers who don't maintain the air craft and pilots that are well like some drivers in Melbourne. I have flown on most major carriers aswell as all China airlines. Haven't had any real problems. As for comfort Yes Y is a tight fit maybe Y+ is the go for you.
Anyway hope you have a good trip.
 
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