Middle East Airspace Diversions/Cancellations

Surely Middle Eastern airlines can’t suspend flights for weeks on end without serious financial consequences. Still, the fragile and often unpredictable nature of the region makes me a little uneasy about flying through it.
They don't have a say in that. If a war is active and threatening your airspace, you do not fly commercial aviation outside of real emergencies.

If they resumed flights and theres still missiles in the air watch their reputation get dragged through the mud.
 
Surely Middle Eastern airlines can’t suspend flights for weeks on end without serious financial consequences. Still, the fragile and often unpredictable nature of the region makes me a little uneasy about flying through it.
I would say that when they can fly again is probably out of their hands - the last war went for 12 days despite claims of obliteration etc it seems as though it didn't really dent Iran's armoury... and now that they have killed Khamenei I doubt that there is any Iranian interest in a ceasefire unless there is regime change or they run out of missiles - and frankly I think that everyone knows that Israel and America will run out of interceptor missiles long before Iran runs out of ballistic missiles, drones etc. In the meantime the Straits of Hormuz are shut and so the crude oil prices will likely double when trading resumes on Monday - which combined with the inflation figures late last week might lead the RBA to increase interest rates when they next meet.
 
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I'm booked to go through Doha in 4 weeks, and I'm relaxed. 6 weeks should be fine for you. If the war goes on for more than 2 weeks I'll be amazed but if it does, then I might start asking my travel agent for options. After the war, the ME should be safer than for many years.
You seem to have a benign view of things. I'm booked to fly through AUH on EY in 3 weeks time, and I don't have the good feel that you have.

I don't see the regime - there will be many survivors - being subdued anytime soon, even if their missile coughnal is depleted. I expect they will have an enormous band of followers in various places in the middle east, and if you think that anywhere in that region will be safe, good luck.

If I am given the opportunity to cancel without penalty I'll be doing it. Just my take.
 
Can airlines like Qatar fly via other routes e.g. via central Asia? Obviously it's not something that can be organized on a whim, but just curious..
 
Can airlines like Qatar fly via other routes e.g. via central Asia? Obviously it's not something that can be organized on a whim, but just curious..
No.

That moves to 5th and higher freedom flights almost all of which usually requires approvals.
 
You seem to have a benign view of things. I'm booked to fly through AUH on EY in 3 weeks time, and I don't have the good feel that you have.

I don't see the regime - there will be many survivors - being subdued anytime soon, even if their missile coughnal is depleted. I expect they will have an enormous band of followers in various places in the middle east, and if you think that anywhere in that region will be safe, good luck.

If I am given the opportunity to cancel without penalty I'll be doing it. Just my take.
I'm like you - I don't see the Middle Eastern airlines being able to fly again in 3 weeks - happy to be wrong but unless Israel and America stop attacking before they achieve their objectives then...
 
Can airlines like Qatar fly via other routes e.g. via central Asia?
Sure and lets say all the rules regarding limiting foreign airlines operating out of another contry are relaxed, their base is DOH. All their Cabin crew/ pilots, infrastructure, services are based there.
Even if they could move to another base - say Singapore, how are they going to move their CC/pilots there when DOH airspace is closed
 
I’m heading to Europe in six weeks and have booked Qatar Airways flights using Velocity points. I did my best to find routes to the parts of Europe I’m visiting that didn’t involve transiting through the Middle East, but it just wasn’t possible. Singapore Airlines doesn’t serve many Central and Eastern European destinations, and reward seat availability with them has become increasingly difficult to find.

Surely Middle Eastern airlines can’t suspend flights for weeks on end without serious financial consequences. Still, the fragile and often unpredictable nature of the region makes me a little uneasy about flying through it.
If their hub airport's air space is closed, they don't have a choice. They can't fly airliners full of passengers through drones and missiles flying in many different directions. They can't fly over them, because they have to land.
 
I'm booked to go through Doha in 4 weeks, and I'm relaxed. 6 weeks should be fine for you. If the war goes on for more than 2 weeks I'll be amazed but if it does, then I might start asking my travel agent for options. After the war, the ME should be safer than for many years.
Respectfully, I think your final comment may be wishful thinking. Even if the Iranian regime is replaced with a stable democracy, there'll be a lot more bad blood in the region. Regime change in Iraq didn't solve anything, and just created other problems. Regime change in Afghanistan only lasted until Mr Trump did a deal with The Taliban, that they reneged on.
 
I called them and got my SAW-DOH-BNE flight cancelled with all points and taxes refunded and no fees. I pointed out that Qatar has a Do Not Travel warning from the Australian govt and asked to speak to a supervisor. The rep put me on hold, presumable consulted the supervisor and waived the fees. I was lucky and had enough points to book IST-SIN-BNE on SQ with Velocity first to be sure I was still getting home. Points refund was instant, taxes take a few days.
Sorry, can you remind me when your travel is?

We're booked to return to Australia via Doha on Saturday, and I was going to wait and see a bit longer. One of us' flight is Velocity points and the other paid with Qatar. If the airlines are willing to cancel already, maybe I should be looking at alternative ways home already?
 
I'm booked to go through Doha in 4 weeks, and I'm relaxed. 6 weeks should be fine for you. If the war goes on for more than 2 weeks I'll be amazed but if it does, then I might start asking my travel agent for options.
If it goes 2 weeks (and I also doubt it) you might be out of luck.. Not having multiple ME airlines flying is going to cause a massive dislocation of people across the globe. Airlines still flying will be booked solid for weeks.
 
Quite a few award seats from SYD-LHR via USA with UA/QF/AA today and tomorrow ...
We didn’t have enough points, but she got a refund on the Virgin/Qatar flight and is now doing QF/AA via LA on the way over and Air India via Delhi on the way back. Extra $1k.
 
On another tack, for how long will the ME airlines pay their flight deck and cabin crews based in AUH/DXB/DOH?

If some of the cabin crew have only just started and have limited funds, one has to feel sorry for them.
 
I think the majority of ME airspace will be reopened in about a week, at most, and I base this opinion on:

- last year during the 12-day war the Israeli Air Force pretty much had (maybe localised) air superiority by the 10th or 11th day. Recall they ended up plinking old Iranian F14s that hadn’t moved for years, such was the freedom they had (and that they’d already attacked the higher priority targets). Most of the Iranian air defence capability was neutralised. They had scattered their ballistic weapon systems but still retained some of that capability.

- the Iranians have built many more drones but they still have a finite number. Similarly, they have a finite number of missiles and launchers.

- again their air defences are being attrited as are missiles and their launch systems. Add to that, much of the command and control in Iran is being destroyed.

- as last year, I expect missile and drone systems will be scattered around the country to try and help them survive. The problem they will face is that even with a local level commander, they may not have authority to fire, or the coordinates to target if they don’t have their central C2 network or headquarters.

- these first 24-48 hours those local commanders are quite likely to be using pre-planned targeting information and orders. The Iranians have watched the build up over the past month and will have been planning and it’s likely their plans, in the event of a regime threatening attack, were to try attacking all US facilities throughout the Gulf region. The problem they will have now is how long is their initial planning good for? I suspect it’s probably good only for the first few days; then they’ll need updated orders and many elements may not get them.

- I also expect much of the maritime capability and port infrastructure will have been targeted or will be shortly. Securing the Straits of Hormuz will have been a US priority. The biggest threat is likely mines and concealed coastal defence cruise missiles. We can’t see it but there will be a persistent ISR presence in that area.

- Next, if the Iranians continue to launch strikes at the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, I fully expect the Air Force’s of those nations will join in the hunting of Iranian missiles and launchers. If you recall the ‘Scud hunts’ from the Gulf War, they’ll be doing that, coordinated in time or location by the US. I don’t believe it is in Irans interest for this to happen.

- There are plenty of unknowns: how will the next Ayatollah react? How long will they survive if they choose to fight? How much did Iran learn from the Taliban’s long struggle? How much of a ground level uprising will there be from the Iranian population? What is the US and Israeli end-state?

To stay on topic, unless Iran wants to continue to alienate its neighbours, I suspect they will eventually realise that killing GCC citizens is not in their long term interest. In addition, those same GCC nations will want to get their main airports back open and will likely do so as soon as they can, hence their airspace will be reopened sooner rather than later. Finally, Iran may well maintain domestic security, but their ability to reach out and touch others is only going to go in one direction (lessen) from their initial salvos yesterday.

We live in interesting times. My 2c.
 
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You seem to have a benign view of things. I'm booked to fly through AUH on EY in 3 weeks time, and I don't have the good feel that you have.

Yes, I may be oddly relaxed, as I'm usually a worrier. I'm counting on the economic imperative of everyone except Iran to get the thing sorted.

But then in 2015 I happily flew QR north from DOH straight up over Iran to Baku during a time when Iran was firing the odd missile at Israel.

Respectfully, I think your final comment may be wishful thinking. Even if the Iranian regime is replaced with a stable democracy, there'll be a lot more bad blood in the region. Regime change in Iraq didn't solve anything, and just created other problems. Regime change in Afghanistan only lasted until Mr Trump did a deal with The Taliban, that they reneged on.

There's been bad blood in the region since time immemorial. As long as they aren't actually shooting at each other I count it as stable, and even then its rare they somebody isn't shooting or bombing somewhere. I visited Iran on a tour in 2017. Airlines fly over Afghanistan every day and in non-shooty times, into Iraq every day. I flew to Saudi via DOH and back only a couple of weeks ago.

If it goes 2 weeks (and I also doubt it) you might be out of luck.. Not having multiple ME airlines flying is going to cause a massive dislocation of people across the globe. Airlines still flying will be booked solid for weeks.

You def have a point there. I'm giving my Travel Agent this week to sort out the chaos they'll be dealing with now, then get in touch re a plan B to get to Spain, where I am joining a cruise in early April.
 

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