MH for sale. Maybe exits OW. | Australian Frequent Flyer
Australian Frequent Flyer

Welcome to Australia's leading independent Frequent Flyer and Travel Resource since 1998!
Our site contains tons of information that will improve your travel experience.

Joining AFF is fast, simple & absolutely free - register now and take immediate advantage of these great BENEFITS.

Once registered, this box will disappear. And you will see fewer advertisements :)

MH for sale. Maybe exits OW.

drron

Enthusiast
Joined
Jul 4, 2002
Messages
20,751
MH is definitely for sale.Bids have been received from AF/KLM and JAL.Going to be an interesting year.
 

jase05

Established Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2018
Messages
1,710
Qantas
Gold
Virgin
Platinum
Hopefully another addition to SkyTeam.
Would be nice to get a decent earn on MH between Australia and KUL
 
Last edited:
  • Agree
Reactions: Ade

dajop

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2002
Messages
9,858
Flights
My Map
Hopefully another addition to SkyTeam.
Would be nice to get a decent earn on MH between Australia and KUL
Rumour has it that LATAM will not be joining following exiting OW, and VS haven’t joined despite significant DL ownership. It seems that airlines are moving away from alliances in favour of bilaterals, or even coexisting in alliances with bilaterals (such as QF with EK, KL, AF & MU).

So if KL/AF get control of MH, SkyTeam doesn’t necessarily follow.
 

esseeeayeenn

Established Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2014
Messages
2,683
Qantas
Platinum
Flights
My Map
Hopefully another addition to SkyTeam.
Would be nice to get a decent earn on MH between Australia and KUL
The reason the earns on MH are so bad is because MH won't pay their partners for better earns.
It's their decision.
I don't see why that would change if they change alliance.
 

Mattg

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2011
Messages
8,830
Flights
My Map
Rumour has it that LATAM will not be joining following exiting OW
This is not a rumour - LATAM specifically said that they weren't going to join another alliance the day after they announced the Delta deal. Various media outlets have been (incorrectly) reporting a possible LA SkyTeam entry despite this.
 

dajop

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2002
Messages
9,858
Flights
My Map
The reason the earns on MH are so bad is because MH won't pay their partners for better earns.
It's their decision.
I don't see why that would change if they change alliance.
Is this the case? Or is it more "the reason why QF earn on MH is so bad is because MH won't pay what QF wants to charge for better earns"? (at least in the premium cabins). You accrue business class travel on MH to AA, you get 125%, you accrue to BA, you get 125%, you accrue to CX you get 125%. You accrue to QF,on a "competing" route you get closer to 100%.

Admittedly at the discount economy end of the scale (the three lowest economy fares) MH don't earn anything on partners, but that's hardly unique amongst FF programs.

Avios (BA) earnt flying on MH:
Economy lowest (L, V, S)25%
Economy low (K, M)50%
Economy flexible (Y, B, H)100%
Business (J, C, D, Z)125%
Business Suite (F, A, P)150%

Avios (BA) earnt flying on QF:
Economy lowest (M, K, L, N, G, Q, S, V, O)25%
Economy flexible (Y, B, H)100%
Premium economy (W, T, R)100%
Business (J, C, D, I)125%
First (F, A)150%
 

opusman

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2006
Messages
5,708
Earns on MH are only bad on routes QF competes on aren't they? Surely if it was MH "charging too much" the earns would be bad on all routes.
 

jase05

Established Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2018
Messages
1,710
Qantas
Gold
Virgin
Platinum
Rumour has it that LATAM will not be joining following exiting OW, and VS haven’t joined despite significant DL ownership. It seems that airlines are moving away from alliances in favour of bilaterals, or even coexisting in alliances with bilaterals (such as QF with EK, KL, AF & MU).

So if KL/AF get control of MH, SkyTeam doesn’t necessarily follow.
Hence why I said “Hopefully”.
Wishful thinking on my behalf more than anything
 

Danger

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 19, 2006
Messages
6,331
Earns on MH are only bad on routes QF competes on aren't they? Surely if it was MH "charging too much" the earns would be bad on all routes.
Qantas doesn't fly to KUL but that the earn rates between Australia and KUL top out at the flexible economy level, even in full fare business.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Ade

Himeno

Established Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2011
Messages
3,865
Qantas doesn't fly to KUL but that the earn rates between Australia and KUL top out at the flexible economy level, even in full fare business.
Because QF views KUL routes as competing with SIN routes, and the MH AU-KUL-EU routes as competing with the QF Kangaroo flights.
 

dajop

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2002
Messages
9,858
Flights
My Map
Albeit there is differential treatment between MH and UL for example (who fly MEL-CMB daily)
QR, CX and BA are probably all better examples than UL. UL, I think, is more about traffic to the subcontinent. With ~12 hr connections in CMB in both directions, I am sure that QF don't think UL as much of a competitor on the Kangaroo route.
 

SeatBackForward

Established Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2006
Messages
3,920
Flights
My Map
Completely agree ... the earn rates on MH for QFF ex-AUS is, for the lack of a worst word, pathetic !
Agree also, and I think it would be understandable if QF flew direct to KUL also, but its their way of preferring their the route via SIN and then onto Jetstar.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ade

esseeeayeenn

Established Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2014
Messages
2,683
Qantas
Platinum
Flights
My Map
Agree also, and I think it would be understandable if QF flew direct to KUL also, but its their way of preferring their the route via SIN and then onto Jetstar.
If you are careful you can book QF flights to KUL via SIN with an MH sector SIN-KUL.
MH no longer serve alcohol on flights less than 3 hours duration but they do have a J cabin on their 737s and anything is better than deathstar.
 

trippin_the_rift

Established Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2006
Messages
3,726
The reason the earns on MH are so bad is because MH won't pay their partners for better earns.
It's their decision.
I don't see why that would change if they change alliance.
You have it the wrong way around. It's partners that set the MH earn rates on their own metal.
That is how FFP agreements work.

So if the QF earn rate is less for MH...... it is QF that set that rate. Blame QF. Not MH.
 

Community Statistics

Threads
84,922
Messages
1,987,760
Members
52,266
Latest member
kalford
Top