Long haul with family: sharing business & economy seats between parents ????

[pointshungry]

K.I.S.S principle. Wife flies J .... Husband flies Y, full stop.

However in all understanding relationships where equality is important, one parent flies J one way, the other flies the return J leg home.

thumbs up!!!

 

[amaroo]

I'd complain to the CSM if I ended up with multiply seat buddies. Absolute poor form that shouldn't be tolerated.

It's a seat on a plane......not a ride for the whole family to enjoy!

I have to fork out the coin to travel as a family group......so should everyone else!

 

[Kieran2274]

But it is not just a seat that one buys in J or F. You are buying the ambiance, and hopefully greater peace and quiet with less disruption. Also some catering items can be limited, and may be affected. One swap would be not that great an issue, but regularly swapping would annoy me.

Can't see how someone rotating seats can effect catering - the FAs aren't going to hand out more main meals, snacks maybe, but even then abuse would cut it quick. And in most J (and certainly F) cabins you are rarely aware of anyone other than your nearest seat-mate. If 'ambiance' is code for keeping the riff-raff of Y out (lol) - it's still just one person (total, in one seat already given - so no addition to cabin load) who is unlikely to be on anything but their best behaviour (because they can easily be told to leave by the FAs if they cause problems, if they are not the named pax for the seat).

I think you are looking for the worst case scenario in a situation where the risk of such an event is quite low (and likely to be managed proactively by CSM/FAs before it ever got there). Flying in the J/F cabin, I'm barely aware of most of my fellow pax - whether they are seat swapping or not.

 

[legroom]

But it is not just a seat that one buys in J or F.

You are buying the ambiance, and hopefully greater peace and quiet with less disruption.

Also some catering items can be limited, and may be affected.


One swap would be not that great an issue, but regularly swapping would annoy me.

If that is the case - frequent swapping - I would in fact register a complaint with the CSM as it is not conducive to a peaceful and comfortable J/F experience.

I'd accept one swapping before the flight - and that's all.

I flew SQ F once with +1 in J.

SK politely refused my request to allow her to have her J meal in the F suite with me, stating that only F pax is allowed past the curtain.

I fully understood their position and accepted it without any rancor.

 

[Kieran2274]

I'd complain to the CSM if I ended up with multiply seat buddies. Absolute poor form that shouldn't be tolerated. It's a seat on a plane......not a ride for the whole family to enjoy! I have to fork out the coin to travel as a family group......so should everyone else!

Does anyone truly think you'll have people swapping seats on 5 min intervals? lol

I suspect - given I've not been aware of people rotating a seat over my years of flying in premium cabins - those who have done this (due to one or two pax getting an op-upgrade etc) usually rotate on fairly lengthy rotations (otherwise why bother - the oxygen in Business/First isn't much better than at the back of the plane).

I can only imagine how horrified some will be to know that I have been sitting in F a few times to see J and Y pax brought up into the F cabin to sit in spare two-seater Suites by the onboard cabin crew - one a nursing mother, another a guy on crutches. Quelle horreur! (For note, never cheapened the F cabin for me, and if having not overheard the CSM/FAs conversation on each occasion I would have not been the wiser)

 

[Kieran2274]

I flew SQ F once with +1 in J. SK politely refused my request to allow her to have her J meal in the F suite with me, stating that only F pax is allowed past the curtain. I fully understood their position and accepted it without any rancor.

Slightly different situation, as you weren't seeking to swap your seats, but have another person up in your Suite (which would have required your +1's meal to be brought up into F cabin, or even the provision of an unpaid for F meal - not to mention the changes in wine list, etc). However, whether you or your +1 had sat in that Suite enjoying dinner (and the other not), makes no difference to the work of the FAs which is why your example is often verboten and the other is possible if the CSM is happy.

 

[amaroo]

Does anyone truly think you'll have people swapping seats on 5 min intervals? lol

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LOL take another read of the OP post........special note to point 2 & 3.

It's poor form - once or a dozen times!

If you don't have the coin......drop a class or don't fly!

 

[Kieran2274]

LOL take another read of the OP post........special note to point 2 & 3. It's poor form - once or a dozen times! If you don't have the coin......drop a class or don't fly!

I must have still missed the 5 minute intervals (or equally stupid time period) written in secret ink that you've found.

As to his actual question: Sure, you can try that, but you need to be aware that it'll come down to whether the CSM will allow it and there are no guarantees. If you want surety, the only way you'll get it is by buying the applicable fare for everyone (the same goes for those who get cranky when an op-up they expected doesn't happen, etc - surety means a full-paid ticket in the class you want).

Between a J ticket, or a comfort seat, I'd take a comfort seat - only because it's more practicably useful.

Simple, with no need for a 'sky falling in' routine.

 

[amaroo]

I must have still missed the 5 minute intervals (or equally stupid time period) written in secret ink that you've found.

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I've no idea what you're going on about......best to read the OP's post and stay on topic.

FWIW arguing with your own post/point is pretty poor form. The only thing with a 5 minute interval/tag is the amount of time you've been posting on here

 

[Kieran2274]

To quote

I've no idea what you're going on about......best to read the OP''s post and stay on topic.

FWIW arguing with your own post/point is pretty poor form. The only thing with a 5 minute interval/tag is the amount of time you've been posting on here

If you have to play the man, seems you don't have much an argument to rely on. (Luckily I'm not a thin-skin delicate).

Pretty straightforward I thought, given the angst shown by you here was about the whole practice, not just the OPs post. I don't see anything wrong with the practice (despite you trying to argue me to your POV), but to the actual question raised by the OP - Is a comfort seat better or worse than rotating a J seat? (not whether he should be flayed alive for suggesting rotating a J seat lol) - I'm inclined to view the comfort seat as more useful (a finding which does not change my attitude to people changing in/out of their seat).

I might find your view funny, but in all honesty it doesn't bother me if it differs from mine. I just added my voice to JohnK's in saying that someone swapping in/out of their seat wouldn't bother me. Seems you complain of someone responding to your invitation to respond by quoting my posts - [If you like me to just ignore you in future, just let me know... Lol]

 

[jb747]

We have done it both ways - each with merits. I am surprised the comments are so one-sided. If you tell the FA that you may be swapping a couple of times during flight, they won't mind. My wife and I sometimes have a roster, say 2 hours on and 2 hrs off. You can then have a bit of quiet and a nap (or watch a movie) in J to look forward to.

Yes they will mind. You won't be permitted to do the swap in flight.

 

[legroom]

Yes they will mind. You won't be permitted to do the swap in flight.

It is about time someone with inside knowledge and authority puts to rest the rather odd (I'm being modest) idea that cabin creep (aka seat swapping) is completely par for the (Y) course.

 

[amaroo]

Yes they will mind. You won't be permitted to do the swap in flight.

Case closed

Agree with legroom comment regarding having the senior member of flight crew nailing this bizarre cabin creep theory shut!

 

[JohnK]

Case closed

If it really makes you feel better.

But note it is already happening now. I have witnessed it. HKGNZL has experienced it.

 

[TSVflyer]

Case closed

Agree with legroom comment regarding having the senior member of flight crew nailing this bizarre cabin creep theory shut!

On a flight on BA from LHR to SIN in WT+ a couple of months ago I saw a husband and wife with small children swap between WT+ and Club World several times, with the help of the FA. They had 3 of the front row middle seats in WT+ nearest to the Club World cabin. In fact the FA held the smallest child while the parents swapped cabins with each other.

 

[HKGNZL]

If that is the case - frequent swapping - I would in fact register a complaint with the CSM as it is not conducive to a peaceful and comfortable J/F experience.

I'd accept one swapping before the flight - and that's all.

I flew SQ F once with +1 in J.

SK politely refused my request to allow her to have her J meal in the F suite with me, stating that only F pax is allowed past the curtain.

I fully understood their position and accepted it without any rancor.

Let me get this straight. It is okay (had you been allowed) to have an extra person in the higher cabin - when it comes to your family. It is however not alright for others to share seats (no extra bodies in the higher cabin). Hypocrisy

 

[fersea]

I think you should get on with enjoying your flight rather than spending too long worrying about what everyone else is doing.

I am am sure the CSM appreciated you "dobbing".

 

[amaroo]

If it really makes you feel better.

But note it is already happening now. I have witnessed it. HKGNZL has experienced it.

Yes, it does make me feel better.

People steal things and break the rules everyday of the year......just because they get away with it doesn't make it right!

No different to Bangkok taxi drivers

 

[amaroo]

On a flight on BA from LHR to SIN in WT+ a couple of months ago I saw a husband and wife with small children swap between WT+ and Club World several times, with the help of the FA. They had 3 of the front row middle seats in WT+ nearest to the Club World cabin. In fact the FA held the smallest child while the parents swapped cabins with each other.

Probably family/friends of the FA :idea:

 

[legroom]

Let me get this straight. It is okay (had you been allowed) to have an extra person in the higher cabin - when it comes to your family. It is however not alright for others to share seats (no extra bodies in the higher cabin). Hypocrisy

I am not sure if you have ever travelled in SQ F, so I will attempt to assist.

If you had, then you would be aware that the suite is a closed-in space separate from each other i.e. total privacy is ensured.

The dining table is designed for two people sharing a meal with a couch opposite the seat proper.

As a matter of fact, the following photos are on SQ website i.e. promoting the idea that a suite is a place where you could share a meal etc...







I did explain but in your rush to a condemnation probably you had overlooked the point. That is, I sounded out the FA about the possibility of a J pax having their (J) meal with me in my own suite.

That means no consumption of anything from the F cabin.

Further, no other F space is taken or claimed. The couch belonged to me - a paid F pax - and nobody else could have access to it.

It is materially different from swapping seat so that a Y pax could access / enjoy the J/F facilities designed for one pax to occupy.

If it had been a F seat and not a suite, I'd never entertained that thought.

As dim as I am, I could see the difference between a seat and a suite.

However, unlike some, I do accept the rules of the game.