Lithium Powerbank Ignites in Qantas Lounge

[milehighclub]

Certain types of matches and lighters have been banned (on Qantas, at least) for years but I’m not sure how accurately that is observed or enforced or could be enforced - yet It’s still a ban.

This is true. Even for smokers, they are actually meant to keep their lighter in their pocket, but how do you tell who is a smoker and therefore ensure this is enforced.

 

[RooFlyer]

But you can take lighters and matches. I don’t think you understand your own analogy.

No, you can't take 'lighters and matches' as a class - have a look at milehigh's post above and here, on Qantas' page

https://www.qantas.com/en-au/baggage/dangerous-goods

What do we see here?



The analogy was about certain types of lighters and matches being banned because of their higher risk - you didn't understand certain types (or Qantas' conditions of carriage, it seems)

Fortunately there are a lot of experts with the knowledge required to conduct appropriate risk assessments so you can stand down.

Thanks for the condescension, but given your demonstrated lack of knowledge on the subject, I don't think you are in a position to opine on others.

 

[justinbrett]

No, you can't take 'lighters and matches' as a class - have a look at milehigh's post above and here, on Qantas' page

https://www.qantas.com/en-au/baggage/dangerous-goods

What do we see here?

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The analogy was about certain types of lighters and matches being banned because of their higher risk - you didn't understand certain types (or Qantas' conditions of carriage, it seems)



Thanks for the condescension, but given your demonstrated lack of knowledge on the subject, I don't think you are in a position to opine on others.

Ok, let’s join the dots..

You can take certain types of powerbanks, the ones that have been certified to have the necessary safety features and certification.

There are already some checks on powerbanks for restrictions on capacity, but could easily be extended to prohibit certain brands/models and require specific certification marks.

Like China has done.

 

[RooFlyer]

Ok, let’s join the dots..

You can take certain types of powerbanks, the ones that have been certified to have the necessary safety features and certification.

There are already some checks on powerbanks for restrictions on capacity, but could easily be extended to prohibit certain brands/models and require specific certification marks.

Like China has done.

Well done on joining those dots! China is doing it one way. Emirates, as mentioned in posts 51 and 53, has taken a different approach (basically can't use them in flight, must be in seat pocket, and other restrictions), which I thought a good step. But EKs rule may not be observed - someone could still have something charging in the overhead locker.

As I've been saying, to some resistance , its a matter of perceived or assessed degree of risk. If power bank fires continue to occur in flight and if their consequences get more serious, the risk of any current policy for an airline or national regulator will be assessed, and there's a good chance that further restrictions will occur.

 

[equus]

China is doing it one way

And how effective is this going to actually be?

Everyone has seen all those knock off goods complete with certificates of authenticity and the lot. Most of the cheap imitation electrical goods already come with all the compliance and certification marks printed on them - but have never been anywhere near the certification process.

 

[RooFlyer]

And how effective is this going to actually be?

Everyone has seen all those knock off goods complete with certificates of authenticity and the lot. Most of the cheap imitation electrical goods already come with all the compliance and certification marks printed on them - but have never been anywhere near the certification process.

Exactly. I was thinking ... China ... compliance ...

 

[Aeryn]

This is true. Even for smokers, they are actually meant to keep their lighter in their pocket, but how do you tell who is a smoker and therefore ensure this is enforced.

Very easy to smell a smoker