JQ schedules 787 to HNL from Feb

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I just checked with my neighbours, both QF CSM's and he said he thinks staff travel will not be included in seat utilisation figures.

He also logged into his magic iPad and showed me the waitlist numbers for all JQ3/QF3 & JQ4/QF4 flights for the next month, plus just as many AD75, AD90 bucketed fares... On average there were 10+ pax on every flight with seating to be confirmed.

Next month is a long way off when it comes to staff travel listings as some staff may only list a day or two prior to departure then you also have staff who might not have got on the day prior rolling over to the next days flight.
 
Next month is a long way off when it comes to staff travel listings as some staff may only list a day or two prior to departure then you also have staff who might not have got on the day prior rolling over to the next days flight.

It was simply based on the calendar view available, and yes, it changes every day... that I can attest to after almost 9 years of standby travel in my last job.

The numbers are mainly used by staff who have access to the staff travel portal to check demand etc on certain days... it offers no assurances at all as there is always the roll on effect during peak periods as mentioned (it was noted that when the school holidays started in a few weeks time, the numbers spiked significantly). Plus you need to factor in the different levels of staff travel as there are quite a few different priority levels...

Back to the topic at hand regarding utilisation, it would make sense that it is based on revenue passengers over total passengers, but without confirmation who knows.
 
Guys, I must admit that I am wrong. It is not good news for JQ fans such as myself because I booked some flights last night and when I saw the seat map I almost cried. 3-3-3 seat config is not good for me and the +1 because we much prefer the 2-4-2 seats as we can be coupled and never need a third wheel/seatmate.
Yep, I agree. I would be interested to hear the reasoning for changing the configuration. It means that both window seats for each row are now two seats away from the aisle. Very inconvenient.
 
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Yep, I agree. I would be interested to hear the reasoning for changing the configuration. It means that both window seats for each row are now two seats away from the aisle. Very inconvenient.

99% of airlines using the dreamliner have gone for the 3-3-3 configuration, so why would JQ buck the trend and go for 2-4-2?
 
Not denying that it has happened or that it's common, but a fair number of people I have spoken to don't like the three seats at each side layout (for the reason I highlighted). So I'm just wondering why the airlines have gone down this route?
 
Yep, I agree. I would be interested to hear the reasoning for changing the configuration. It means that both window seats for each row are now two seats away from the aisle. Very inconvenient.


It was always going to be 3-3-3 it was made clear after the Dreamliner tour a couple of years ago. And the reason is more bums on seats means more revenue means more profit. Simples :)
 
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Yep, I agree. I would be interested to hear the reasoning for changing the configuration. It means that both window seats for each row are now two seats away from the aisle. Very inconvenient.


It was always going to be 3-3-3 it was made clear after the Dreamliner tour a couple of years ago. And the reason is more bums on seats means more revenue means more profit. Simples :)
They couldn't do 2-5-2? That way there's only one person who needs to climb over two seats to get to the aisle instead of two. Same number of seats, so profit figures are preserved.
 
They couldn't do 2-5-2? That way there's only one person who needs to climb over two seats to get to the aisle instead of two. Same number of seats, so profit figures are preserved.

2-5-2 has never really been popular for some reason...
 
2-5-2 has never really been popular for some reason...
I recognise it probably doesn't look good in the PR shots (five seats without a break isn't a good look), but purely from a practical (passenger comfort) point of view it would seem a better option.
 
I recognise it probably doesn't look good in the PR shots (five seats without a break isn't a good look), but purely from a practical (passenger comfort) point of view it would seem a better option.

Have you ever been in the middle of a row of 5?
 
They couldn't do 2-5-2? That way there's only one person who needs to climb over two seats to get to the aisle instead of two. Same number of seats, so profit figures are preserved.

I believe 2-5-2 is not possible due to the trim (weight distribution of the aircraft) plus the interior would need unique fittings which would significantly increase the cost of the new aircraft. Think of it this way, you would effectively need to stand on the aisle seat, or move right into the row to access the overhead lockers in the centre section.

When I was doing the Boeing Factory tour last year at Seattle someone asked a similar question, and they were 2 of the replies I clearly recall... there were 1/2 a dozen others but without getting things mixed up I will stick with what I know. There was something else about the evacuation of the aircraft as the aisles would not be aligned based on standard galley configurations and bathrooms.
 
I recognise it probably doesn't look good in the PR shots (five seats without a break isn't a good look), but purely from a practical (passenger comfort) point of view it would seem a better option.

Having flown in 2-5-2, I know plenty of people that really don't like it. I would imagine that it would actually be more common if more people liked it. In a 3-3-3, while there are more people that are 2 seats away from the aisle, at least you're compensated with a window to see out of/lean on.
 
Having flown in 2-5-2, I know plenty of people that really don't like it. I would imagine that it would actually be more common if more people liked it. In a 3-3-3, while there are more people that are 2 seats away from the aisle, at least you're compensated with a window to see out of/lean on.

I had the 'pleasure' of being in the middle row of 5 ie with 2 people on either side of me on a UA DC-10 BKK/NRT. It was a disrupt situation as I was on a TG flight BKK/SEA that had been cancelled so we all got uplifted on UA BKK/NRT/SEA with a 10 hour transit in NRT where we were put up in a hotel so I guess beggars can't be choosers.

I believe the philosophy behind airlines opting for the 2x5x2 config is that if the flight has a load factor of about 85% or less then the middle seat is vacant so there is more couple seating ie 4 lots of 2 seats together & in that config nobody is more than one seat away from an aisle.
 
I had the 'pleasure' of being in the middle row of 5 ie with 2 people on either side of me on a UA DC-10 BKK/NRT. It was a disrupt situation as I was on a TG flight BKK/SEA that had been cancelled so we all got uplifted on UA BKK/NRT/SEA with a 10 hour transit in NRT where we were put up in a hotel so I guess beggars can't be choosers.

I believe the philosophy behind airlines opting for the 2x5x2 config is that if the flight has a load factor of about 85% or less then the middle seat is vacant so there is more couple seating ie 4 lots of 2 seats together & in that config nobody is more than one seat away from an aisle.

I'm in no way saying that there aren't good reasons for it. Just that it seems that it never really took off.
 
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