JQ Hong Kong Launched with China Eastern

[yohy?!]

the first low cost carrier based in Hong Kong

LCCs Operating to HKG:

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[TR]
[TD]Airlines
[/TD]
[TD]Destinations[/TD]
[TD]Terminal[/TD]
[TD]Type[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AirAsia[/TD]
[TD]Kota Kinabalu, Kuala Lumpur, Medan, Penang[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Airphil Express[/TD]
[TD]Cebu, Clark[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cebu Pacific[/TD]
[TD]Cebu, Clark, Kalibo, Manila[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hong Kong Express Airways[/TD]
[TD]Beijing-Capital, Chengdu, Chongqing, Haikou, Harbin, Nanning, Naha, Osaka-Kansai, Sanya, Sapporo-Chitose [SUP][38][/SUP], Shanghai-Pudong, Taichung[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jeju Air[/TD]
[TD]Busan, Seoul-Incheon[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jetstar Asia Airways[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jin Air[/TD]
[TD]Seoul-Incheon[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Juneyao Airlines[/TD]
[TD]Shanghai-Pudong[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mega Maldives[/TD]
[TD]Gan, Malé[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peach[/TD]
[TD]Osaka-Kansai [begins 1 July 2012][SUP][39][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]TBD[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Spring Airlines[/TD]
[TD]Shanghai-Pudong, Shijiazhuang[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Thai AirAsia[/TD]
[TD]Bangkok-Suvarnabhumi, coughet[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tiger Airways[/TD]
[TD]Singapore[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]LCC[/TD]
[/TR]
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[yohy?!]

10 low cost carriers may operate to Hong Kong, but I don't believe any are based there. So the statement from Qantas seems correct. I believe the one for greater China is Spring Airlines.

Hong Kong Express is based here - they are being re-born as an LCC shortly.

Also it is not the first time an LCC has been attempted here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_Hong_Kong_Airlines

 

[dajop]

Like it or not Jetstar are here to stay. Get used to it. Why is it that whatever QF does with Jetstar, the armchair expert here on AFF want to trash it? Whilst I'm no fan of JQ it does have its place, and as for 3K - if SQ (or TG/MH) is out of the race because of price or availability, and the other carriers are Tiger and/or appropriate local carrier (GA, VN, CZ, CA, MU, PR etc) I'd tend to towards 3K.

At the end of the day the value of the Qantas brand in Asia is probably only marginally above Jetstar anyway, and of course can you imagine the issues if QF formed "Qantas" HKG. Aside from the extremely risky, looks to be doomed, Red Q type venture, Jetstar seems the natural way for the QF group to grow within Asia. Like or lump it. Good on them for trying (and to be honest with MU behind it, I am sure it has some probability of success). If it fails sobeit.

Are people's concerns that the capital instead could be used to get QF flying to SFO or CDG once more or similar expansions of the mainline brand?

 

[samh004]

Interesting development. I’m not sure how to look on this though. Fares from HKG on CX or QF are already pretty good sometimes, so I wonder how low they can go (bearing in mind you then have to start adding services back on for a fee).

If CX competes aggressively with DragonAir and Air China, and Hainan then all bets are off for JQ unless they can somehow prove themselves loyal… as in better recognition. I guess that’s the only thing keeping CX from going into all out war mode now, the fact that JQ aren’t a part of OneWorld, so they shouldn’t take their main business. But if they ever become an affiliate member, despite their lack of a premium cabin I can’t see CX taking it well.

 

[Justchecking]

Like it or not Jetstar are here to stay. Get used to it. Good on them for trying...

Yep. And good on Macca's for turning a burger into a squidy bun with ketchup on it and good on Starbucks for turning coffee into an undrinkable tasteless syrup. Good on both of them for helping to eliminate the original purveyors of decent versions of these foods in favour of cheap junk no-one really likes but buys for lack of better alternatives. I can't wait until flying is just a painful experience where the choices are bad, and worse. Gotta love Aussie success stories... J

 

[oz_mark]

Yep. And good on Macca's for turning a burger into a squidy bun with ketchup on it and good on Starbucks for turning coffee into an undrinkable tasteless syrup. Good on both of them for helping to eliminate the original purveyors of decent versions of these foods in favour of cheap junk no-one really likes but buys for lack of better alternatives. I can't wait until flying is just a painful experience where the choices are bad, and worse. Gotta love Aussie success stories... J

Actually, in all the cases you have cited, there are better alternatives available. You just need to be willing to pay the price for them. Jetstar is no different.

 

[yohy?!]

Yep. And good on Macca's for turning a burger into a squidy bun with ketchup on it and good on Starbucks for turning coffee into an undrinkable tasteless syrup. Good on both of them for helping to eliminate the original purveyors of decent versions of these foods in favour of cheap junk no-one really likes but buys for lack of better alternatives. I can't wait until flying is just a painful experience where the choices are bad, and worse. Gotta love Aussie success stories... J

Good analogy and particularly relevant - JQ Hong Kong is apparently targetting the new 300 million middle-class mainland Chinese many of whom already come to Hong Kong to indulge in mass spending sprees on luxury brands.

Are they really going to be travelling back with their LV bags on a JQ A320?

 

[dajop]

and good on Starbucks for turning coffee into an undrinkable tasteless syrup.

Starbucks is a great example - of what happens if the market is misjudged, and could happen to Jetstar HK. Not sure what they've done in the last 2 years or so to turn it around but they were a big fail in the Australian market.

 

[docjames]

The JQ model seems to be following that of LAN - a base in multiple countries, eg. Lan Peru, Lan Equador, Lan Argentina, and the "original" Lan Chile.

Jetstar Asia, Jetstar Japan, Jetstar Vietnam, and Jetstar HK. And the original Jetstar (Aus).

 

[TheInsider]

Are they really going to be travelling back with their LV bags on a JQ A320?

Can't see why not? Especially if it will give them more money to shop with while in HKG and SZX

Also it wouldn't surprise me that Jetstar will be getting landing slots for SZX and PVG shortly...

 

[yohy?!]

Can't see why not? Especially if it will give them more money to shop with while in HKG and SZX

Also it wouldn't surprise me that Jetstar will be getting landing slots for SZX and PVG shortly...

PVG? Yes that would be surprise considering they could only get into Hangzhou previously...

 

[dajop]

Also on the mainland China bit, is matter of continuing to build the brand? Soo for eg in cities like Hangzhou and Ningbo, you will Jetstar serving a range of destinations, including HKG, SIN, KIX, NRT even HAN, all by different versions of Jetstar, but essentially the same brand. One way of being able to offer multiple destinations from within a country without actually operating a carrier there.

 

[simongr]

Actually, in all the cases you have cited, there are better alternatives available. You just need to be willing to pay the price for them. Jetstar is no different.

EXactly.

Burgers - many many alternatives - including my current favourite - Charlie & Co
Coffee - given you can't walk around Sydney without tripping over a coffee shop I don't think that Starbucks are having an impact.

I would flip it around and say that this is creating an opportunity for people who do want to pay a premium. The LCCs are dragging the average and below average carriers down but for people who don't want that the premium carriers are offering more and more.

My issue with this is that for me it seems that QF just don't know what to do with the mainline international brand. They just seem to run out of ideas.

 

[travelislife]

I have mentioned it before but I think it rings true again. It is amazing how often Jetstar fares are actually more expensive than other carriers (including QF!). Somehow the marketing blitz has worked and people instantly think Jetstar is low fares, so if they don't want to fly someone like Tiger they just go to Jetstar and don't even see what QF or VA are offering. The yield Jetstar achieves must be great compared to QF at times.

I agree with what another poster said though about allocating large amounts of 'QF Group' capital to Jetstar operations. If they want to make Qantas International work they are going to have to throw some capital at it with a plan. At the moment the only plan seems to be to reduce routes to save costs.

 

[dajop]

I have mentioned it before but I think it rings true again. It is amazing how often Jetstar fares are actually more expensive than other carriers (including QF!). Somehow the marketing blitz has worked and people instantly think Jetstar is low fares, so if they don't want to fly someone like Tiger they just go to Jetstar and don't even see what QF or VA are offering. The yield Jetstar achieves must be great compared to QF at times.

Outside of Australia (and to/from AUS markets), Jetstar Asia pricing is usually well below the national carriers in pricing, especially around 1 way flights. Many national carriers still basically the "old" model, with discounts only on return pricing. On price, ex-SIN, Jetstar are usually there battling it out with Air Asia, Tiger, Cebu Pacific etc and rarely with SQ, CX, TG or the like. Exception seems to be the MEL route where Jetstar are at peak times, up there in price with EK and QF!

 

[travelislife]

Ok. Interesting, as Jetstar are often more expensive than Thai on the MEL-BKK-MEL route when you factor in meals and luggage, but this may be that I only look in peak travel times and Thai wins every time, due to schedule and cost.

 

[kamchatsky]

Good analogy and particularly relevant - JQ Hong Kong is apparently targetting the new 300 million middle-class mainland Chinese many of whom already come to Hong Kong to indulge in mass spending sprees on luxury brands.

Are they really going to be travelling back with their LV bags on a JQ A320?

Based on the quality of shorthaul CA, MU, CZ, yes indeed.

 

[el_rooto]

Will QF WP's be able to use the new F Lounge that is apparently being built at HKG if they're flying JQ HKG?
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[Justchecking]

Actually, in all the cases you have cited, there are better alternatives available. You just need to be willing to pay the price for them. Jetstar is no different.

I agree with you. But the alternatives aren't as plentiful as they once were. Back in the day the corner shop made great burgers. The ones with the hand-made juicy patties, fried egg, beet and pineapple and it was about 4" round and 5" high.
Every local corner store made them, you didnt
have to travel far to get one. They were a quality thing and sold for the equivalent of a $5-er.

These days how far do you have to go to get this and how much does it now cost? I can tell you that in Sydney a real burger is specialist eatery material and costs around $10-$12. In the small country town where my mother lives the kiosk on
the beach still makes these burgers and sells them for $5. The difference is, Macca's is a 30min drive away from the small country town. The pursuit of 'cheap' actually leads to less choice and higher prices for the consumer in the end. The LCC factory puts the mid-range business out of
business by being slightly cheaper with an inferior
product. Once that's achieved the inferior product then becomes more expensive in the absence of local competition. I live next door to a Macca's. My local area is a dead-zone as far as food outlets are concerned. I cannot buy anything
other than Macca's within a 30min walk of my house. The small outlets cannot survive in the presence of a Macca's because it draws all the incidental spending in the area to it. My alternative is to get in a car and drive some distance if I don't happen to want to cook
tonight. Our obsession
with cheap bites us in the end.

Just ask the people in the Gold Coast how much fun it is to have your airport designated as a LCC
terminal. Prior to DJs upmarket push they had no choice at all.

 

[Paddy55]

On ABC 7pm news they showed a graphic of the 3 x A320s... each with 4 engines

New, special config for JQ HKG?