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Jetstar's "new" model?

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Yada Yada

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www.theage.com.au said:
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Picture the next time you fly overseas. You are sitting in a state-of-the-art carbon fibre aeroplane with windows 60 per cent larger, with 20 per cent better fuel efficiency and better air conditioning to reduce jet lag.

You get a seat with your ticket but just that. If you want anything else, be it entertainment, food, blankets or earplugs, you have to pay for it separately before you fly or on board. But when you buy on board, the cabin crew are beaming because they get a commission on the sale.

You have far greater choice in what you eat and do on the plane. There's a range of meals and snacks from basic to gourmet, including regional offers to and from the places you are travelling and entertainment to satisfy the biggest cinema buff to the most ardent gamer.

There's also a kiosk if you fancy stretching your legs during the flight to grab a few goodies before watching the latest release film you've just paid for. The plane is wireless rigged so you can use your laptop to scan the internet, send emails, access your work system or make VoIP phone calls - at a price, of course.

And it's a two-class service, too, so you have the option of a seat the size of standard business class if you want the extra leg room and comfort.

Finally - and here's the killer part of the offer - you pay about 30 per cent less for your ticket than if you were flying on the same route with a full service carrier. But remember, that's for just your seat. The cost of your journey is entirely up to you as it depends on what you decide to buy and do while flying. It's like travelling a la carte rather than taking a set menu.

Welcome to jetsetting, Jetstar style. It's the new air travel offer that began taxiing down the Australian runway last week with the first release of Jetstar international tickets; the first flight, from Melbourne to Bangkok, is not until November. It's an innovative, practically untried aviation idea and it's the brainchild of the Qantas discount airline offshoot's Irish-born livewire chief executive Alan Joyce.

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New???? Innovative??? Most of this sounds a lot like what Virgin Blue has been offering the Australian public for over five years now. :rolleyes:
 

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If this is the future I don't think I like what I see. Obviously this is a Jetstar spin story. But seriously on an international flight should we have to pay separately for entertainment, food, and or a blanket?

And how do we feel about Alan Joyce talking over from Geoff Dixon?
Should we all be heading for Star Alliance now?
 

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ric_melb said:
If this is the future I don't think I like what I see. Obviously this is a Jetstar spin story. But seriously on an international flight should we have to pay separately for entertainment, food, and or a blanket?
This is the future. Price the airfares higher than what QF/other full service airlines charge now and then ask people to pay for extras already included in full service airlines airfares.

ric_melb said:
And how do we feel about Alan Joyce talking over from Geoff Dixon?
Should we all be heading for Star Alliance now?
Star Alliance is looking better and better.
 

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ric_melb said:
And how do we feel about Alan Joyce talking over from Geoff Dixon?
Should we all be heading for Star Alliance now?
JetStar is not part of any airline alliance program. I don't see how JetStar's operational would influence anyone to move from OneWorld to Star Alliance. It certainly does not influence me in any way.
 

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According to the Age...

Finally - and here's the killer part of the offer - you pay about 30 per cent less for your ticket than if you were flying on the same route with a full service carrier. But remember, that's for just your seat.
What BS. I picked two random dates in March next year. Return MEL-BKK on JQ .... $851 return - not inclusive of meals, drinks,, entertainment or pillows/blankets (with 31" seat pitch). On Thai on same dates.... $837.57, including full service, and FF points (and 34" seat pitch). Hmm when I last did math, 70% of $837.57 was $586.30, not $851. Someone at the Age should check their facts before just regurgitating a press release.

But hey let the great unwashed be conned, and those of us in the know can keep on flying full service.

Ergo .... THEY SHOULD, but I bet you that they won't ..... reduce the number of points required for an award flight by 30% as well.
 

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By full service carrier they meant QF (ie missing an "a" in front of "full service carrier") not all FSCs.

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Ergo .... THEY SHOULD, but I bet you that they won't ..... reduce the number of points required for an award flight by 30% as well.
Yup more devaluation by stealth. Same points required but you also have to pay for the extras in cash.
 

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If Alan Joyce takes over from Geoff Dixon as head of Qantas, would we see the "new" model applied to Qantas? If so we might choose to fly a Star Alliance airline rather than Qantas or Jetstar.
 

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Yada Yada said:
New???? Innovative??? Most of this sounds a lot like what Virgin Blue has been offering the Australian public for over five years now. :rolleyes:
Of course it's just like Virgin Blue, nothing new about it.
Despite that, aren't you hearing their message?
Going to destinations Qantas isn't servicing makes sense for a wholly owned subsidiary doesn't it?
Jetstar's like any other thing out there, choice, you don't have to fly with them. If Thai, Air New Zealand or any other carriers around the place offer a better fare or flight option, grab it.
If you're a member of One World or another FF scheme fly with those carriers.
If Jetstar doesn't have FF connections who cares.
I'm a Qantas FF but it doesn't mean I don't dabble outside the Qantas orb.
I jumped all over the latest Jetstar offerings and got two seats Syd-Ho Chi Minh City for $740 return, I'm not complaining.
It doesn't mean though that I'll be automatically flying with them again.
Next year I'm booked on a cheap Air NZ flight too, doesn't mean anything more than that.
 

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dajop said:
What BS. I picked two random dates in March next year. Return MEL-BKK on JQ .... $851 return - not inclusive of meals, drinks,, entertainment or pillows/blankets (with 31" seat pitch). On Thai on same dates.... $837.57, including full service, and FF points (and 34" seat pitch). Hmm when I last did math, 70% of $837.57 was $586.30, not $851. Someone at the Age should check their facts before just regurgitating a press release.

But hey let the great unwashed be conned, and those of us in the know can keep on flying full service.
Interesting comparison! So how can JQ hope to get a share of the market with prices like this? Are they banking on people purchasing without checking other airlines? You'd think that any decent TA would know what was on offer and advise their customers.

BTW, I saw Alan Joyce "doorstopped" by one of the Chaser guys on last Friday night's show. It was pretty funny, but to his credit he actually handled it quite well.
 

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People are entitled to fly them etc etc, choice etc blah blah. What ticks me off is this advertorial in the media. Sick of supposed serious media ("The Age") just quoting verbatim the press release of one of their big customers, without any serious analysis. Sign of the times.

Oh. Completely OT but how long before they remove the pillow/blanket charge? I suspect that the disappearance rate for these items from QF will start increasing.
 

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i would like to see the paper(s) the story appeared in disclose the amount of money they make from Jetstar advertising with them ...

another example of half baked, no brains journo's padding out their papers, which are approaching nothing more than a wrapper for the television guide.
 

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Kiwi Flyer said:
By full service carrier they meant QF (ie missing an "a" in front of "full service carrier") not all FSCs.



Yup more devaluation by stealth. Same points required but you also have to pay for the extras in cash.
Do you actually have to pay extra? I thought that award redemptions were booked into a QF codeshare. And from the Q and A's:

Will Qantas codeshare passengers on Jetstar operated flights need to purchase meals?


Customers travelling on Qantas codeshare will receive as part of their fare the Jetstar "Feed me" meal pack, a blanket and headset for audio and in-flight entertainment via the drop-down screens.
 

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Kiwi Flyer said:
Yup more devaluation by stealth. Same points required but you also have to pay for the extras in cash.
I believe it has been reported that QF FF awards on Jetstar International flights will include meals, beverage, pillow, blanket and entertainment, so no additional cash to be paid (except for the usual fuel fines etc).
 

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I'd rather pay 30% less points than get the free meal, free blanket and free set of headphones (note still have to pay for the portable DVD player on the QF codeshare)!!
 

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chrisb said:
I'm sure the Chairman's Lounge members who end up on Jetstar will be pleased to hear that :)

I find it a little odd that Gold/Plat members don't get the same treatment.

Chrisb.
I am sure all the CL members are just falling over themselves trying to get onto Jetstar
 

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It doesnt sound too bad to me.

Whilst I would try to avoid Jetstar International, if I had to fly them:

(A) I would be happy that they have choice to pay to make the experience more pleasant. Beats being stuck on a budget airline with no or very limited food and no service.

(B) Maybe the flight attendents will be more friendly as they make money by selling food rather than seeing it as a chore. I will in first class on CX a few weeks ago, and whilst usually a very good service, on this flight, you could tell the flight attendants really did not want to be there.

(C) I think it is fair for Jetstar to finally get some positive news, given all the negative news they have received in the past.
 

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roysta said:
Of course it's just like Virgin Blue, nothing new about it.
Despite that, aren't you hearing their message?
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Hmm, I think Jetstar are far more serious about their international routes than Virgin. Remember Pacific Blue?
 
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