Jetstar to recline seats

[nlagalle]

Just saw this and couldn't see if it was posted anywhere else:

Passenger anger atJetstar's non-reclining seats | The Daily Telegraph

JETSTAR passengers getting uptight about being upright have won a reprieve after the airline reversed a cost-saving decision to install non-reclining seats.

Seems JQ is listening also and removing those non-reclinable seats..

there was a mention in the story about the 2-2-2 seating for QF J.

 

[oz_mark]

Seems JQ is listening also and removing those non-reclinable seats..

It's interesting that on the one hand that a number of people complain about recliners, while on the other, there are complaints about not being able to recline.:shock:

 

[bossreggie]

Slightly OT.

I was in a certain Lounge last month and overheard a convo between some senior QF/JQ managers.

If I heard right... *Class is going to be more "J" Class fairly soon. Also... There may be the possibility of DOM * Class. Interesting times ahead.

 

[oz_mark]

Slightly OT.

I was in a certain Lounge last month and overheard a convo between some senior QF/JQ managers.

If I heard right... *Class is going to be more "J" Class fairly soon. Also... There may be the possibility of DOM * Class. Interesting times ahead.

*Class on the trans-con routes would probably get me in!

If they fo push the product toward J, I hope that it does not mean that prices head too far upward. I find *class a nice affordable way of getting some more space!

We'll see - but there is plenty to suggest that Jetstar is heading into the middle ground.

 

[bossreggie]

*Class on the trans-con routes would probably get me in!

If they fo push the product toward J, I hope that it does not mean that prices head too far upward. I find *class a nice affordable way of getting some more space!

We'll see - but there is plenty to suggest that Jetstar is heading into the middle ground.

I wonder if Qantas Group thinks it will be better to fight DJ with JQ rather than QF??

I would fly DOM *Class if it were around $350 MEL - SYD. Any higher and I would stick with QF J.

 

[anat0l]

I wonder if Qantas Group thinks it will be better to fight DJ with JQ rather than QF??

Isn't that what AJ is trying to do, and in the process simultaneously annoying a whole bunch of us to no end and perhaps not even achieving the said objective, let alone in terms of the financials?

I would fly DOM *Class if it were around $350 MEL - SYD. Any higher and I would stick with QF J.

What is the prevailing rack rate at the moment? Me thinks it's about $30 more than that or so.

Main problems with domestic *C at the moment and in the future:

• If it gets more popular, some of us may not be able to "indulge" each time we fly it ***
• A little problem for some of us who don't go HLO - the required procedures on either end of the flight are long and ridiculous. Don't say all of us can do it - what about things like taking lots of LAGs - you can't HLO that.
• Can you OLCI for these sectors right now? No? What the hell?!??!!
• Frequency is the biggest problem right now, and timing (only once a day when it happens, and then it happens too infrequently)
• Service is inconsistent. For example with said route, in one direction you get full access to the menu (all complimentary, of course). In the converse direction it's snack service only.
• No IFE. Not a problem for yours truly who doesn't watch much TV, perhaps not a problem for others who couldn't care less about any existing IFE. But some others (not necessarily on this forum, may I add)....

***This is "vague" for good reasons!

 

[bossreggie]

What is the prevailing rack rate at the moment? Me thinks it's about $30 more than that or so.

I was comparing to QF J @ $525... Dom *Class would have to be approx $200 cheaper than that to get me flying. I'm not thinking of the DOM sector of an international flight.

 

[pauly7]

[*]No IFE. Not a problem for yours truly who doesn't watch much TV, perhaps not a problem for others who couldn't care less about any existing IFE. But some others (not necessarily on this forum, may I add)....
[/list]

iPads launch network wide in April so can cross that one off

 

[pauly7]

I wonder if Qantas Group thinks it will be better to fight DJ with JQ rather than QF??

It's an interesting one to ponder... The next evolution of the classic 1 - 2 approach / 'pincer' movement that has kept DJ in it's box pretty well... But funnily enough has forced DJ to move upmarket as well, thus creating a new type of competitive threat!

Perhaps their idea is to use JQ (whose cost base is lower than DJ) to pick up the retail / self funded / small business J customers and use QF to hold onto the big corporates who are less sensitive on price and much more sensitive to all the ancillary like service, frequency, lounges, widebodies, FF programs etc.

JQ could easily beat DJ on price and QF still has a long long lead on DJ when it comes to all the 'extras' (at the moment).

I could actually see that working....

Perhaps they could even offer interlining to dom JQ J customers onto QF to encourage pax to stay with the QF Group once they hit a QF hub from a JQ leisure/secondary port....

Interesting...

 

[oz_mark]

I think arguments about weaknesses in domestic *Class is a bit spurious at the moment. They just happen to be a sector of an international flight that people seek out. They are not proper domestic services, and if you are going to seek them out, then it is your choice to subject yourself to the international restrictions.

One would have thought that if they were going to introduce *Class domestically, they would be proper domestic flights - leaving and arriving from domestic terminals.

 

[bossreggie]

One would have thought that if they were going to introduce *Class domestically, they would be proper domestic flights - leaving and arriving from domestic terminals.

That was the general point which was being discussed when I overheard.

 

[oz_mark]

I was comparing to QF J @ $525... Dom *Class would have to be approx $200 cheaper than that to get me flying. I'm not thinking of the DOM sector of an international flight.

The flights that do exists are $329, so in the right ballpark.

 

[dk4]

There may be the possibility of DOM * Class. Interesting times ahead.

My AFF poll last year (http://www.australianfrequentflyer....am/back-business-feb-2011-transcon-25134.html) produced an interesting result: Almost a quarter of AFFers were interested in a transcon "middle ground" product. About an equal split of these between Star Class or International Premium Economy. (The other top contenders were; mid-size, wide-body, international configuration aircraft & bonus FF offers).

 

[UP4014]

*Class on the trans-con routes would probably get me in!

If they fo push the product toward J, I hope that it does not mean that prices head too far upward. I find *class a nice affordable way of getting some more space!

We'll see - but there is plenty to suggest that Jetstar is heading into the middle ground.

Possibly get me in as well and I think they might be able to pick some DJ'ers who don't want to use QF for whatever reasons.

 

[UP4014]

I wonder if Qantas Group thinks it will be better to fight DJ with JQ rather than QF??

I would fly DOM *Class if it were around $350 MEL - SYD. Any higher and I would stick with QF J.

Perhaps fight it with both, QF from above and JQ from below, will really put the squeeze on DJ and why not. Use everything you have.

 

[JohnK]

It's interesting that on the one hand that a number of people complain about recliners, while on the other, there are complaints about not being able to recline.:shock:

Sorry to go off-topic but you are right. There are also those that do not care one way or the other. So we have 3 groups.

No matter which solution you are going to inconvenience one of the 2 groups. I still think the perfect solution would be to have a reclining and a non-reclining section.

 

[stryker]

The flights that do exists are $329, so in the right ballpark.

Yes, but how many people who are paying for their own fares out of their own pocket (and let's not obfuscate here) will be happy to pay such a fare.

For an hour's flight, I'd be happy to sit on the wing if the price was right.

Are you people being serious, or I am living in a parallel universe?

Or are you just merchant *ankers?

 

[pauly7]

Yes, but how many people who are paying for their own fares out of their own pocket (and let's not obfuscate here) will be happy to pay such a fare.

For an hour's flight, I'd be happy to sit on the wing if the price was right.

Are you people being serious, or I am living in a parallel universe?

Or are you just merchant *ankers?

Not personally , but take a drive through Toorak or Mosman. They fly their 10 year olds J from Syd to Mel.

If you've got the means...

 

[oz_mark]

Yes, but how many people who are paying for their own fares out of their own pocket (and let's not obfuscate here) will be happy to pay such a fare.

For an hour's flight, I'd be happy to sit on the wing if the price was right.

Are you people being serious, or I am living in a parallel universe?

Or are you just merchant *ankers?

For a one hour flight - not me (actually, I might), but then I was responding to a comment about how much bossreggie would pay. My interest would be in what they did on the trans-con flights.

 

[bossreggie]

I think it's all relative. I would not consider flying economy.

My son used to visit me at least 6 - 8 times a year PER - MEL from the age of 5 til he was 16. (21 Now)

He has still NEVER flown in economy. (He is 85% LTG)