Is the direct Qantas Paris Flight going the distance?

[M@tt]

I have a couple of per>cdg>per flights coming up and it’s disappointing that Qantas have made some pretty drastic changes to this route. (Sorry if this has already been discussed but couldn’t find an existing thread).
I fully understand that the Iran thing has made it necessary to stop in Sin and the first flight is exactly that. 787 stops in Sin for 2.5 hrs and then we get back on and carry on to cdg.
Return to Perth is a bit different, 6 hour stop in sin and then a 737 down to Perth ! Increasing total travel time by about 10hrs!
I then go back to cdg in oct and it’s just regular a330 service to sin with 4 hrs stop before cdg in the 787. (Return is still showing direct though I expect this will change as we get closer).
I see Rome flights are running direct and so are the return flights from London. It seems to me they are not treating the Paris flights seriously, could it mean they will drop this direct service out of Perth?
I’m certainly feeling like I’m getting a third rate trip for a premium price.

 

[Melburnian1]

Welcome to AFF.

When you say (Perth to) 'Rome flights are running direct', you really mean 'nonstop'. A 'direct' flight is typically two flights on the same flight number with an intermediate stop,.

Please correct me, but on a forward journey from Perth to Paris, don't you travel on QF219 PER-SIN (arriving at 1940 hours) and then transfer to QF255 (that originated in Sydney), the 2210 hours SIN up to CDG? Strictly, this is not a 'direct service' as it involves a change of flight number (and normally also a change of B789 aircraft).

The Paris flights originate and terminate in Sydney but southbound, the Perth to London flight QF10 doesn't deviate via SIN as the airspace routing problems (i.e. avoiding Iran) that you acknowledge only necessitate a fuel stop in SIN northwest bound, not southeast bound ex LHR.

It's unfortunate that the connecting time in SIN southwest bound (i.e. on your return) is poor (and also what you say is a B738 not a widebody SIN-PER) but these Qantas Parisian flights are from/to Sydney so I'm not sure you can say it isn't 'taking the route seriously'. It's simply determined that there's more originating passengers likely from (or to) Sydney, with the Perth connection in SIN on the forward journey a bonus for you, but not uppermost in the airline's commercial thinking.

One solution might be to buy an 'open jaw' ticket travelling PER-CDG but on the return, catching the excellent Eurostar train from Paris to London's St Pancras International station and then the nonstop QF10 LHR "express" to PER. However this would cost extra given the horrendously high long distance UK Air Passenger Duty levied ex LHR, a situation not faced by long distance flights departing from France.

Ac second alternative is to ditch QFi in future (after your already booked flights) and use carriers such as CX, EK, EY, QR or SQ that offer convenient one stops via their hub to/from CDG.

 

[AuSammy]

Welcome to AFF.

When you say (Perth to) 'Rome flights are running direct', you really mean 'nonstop'. A 'direct' flight is typically two flights on the same flight number with an intermediate stop,.

Please correct me, but on a forward journey from Perth to Paris, don't you travel on QF219 PER-SIN (arriving at 1940 hours) and then transfer to QF255 (that originated in Sydney), the 2210 hours SIN up to CDG? Strictly, this is not a 'direct service' as it involves a change of flight number (and normally also a change of B789 aircraft).

The Paris flights originate and terminate in Sydney but southbound, the Perth to London flight QF10 doesn't deviate via SIN as the airspace routing problems (i.e. avoiding Iran) that you acknowledge only necessitate a fuel stop in SIN northwest bound, not southeast bound ex LHR.

It's unfortunate that the connecting time in SIN southwest bound (i.e. on your return) is poor (and also what you say is a B738 not a widebody SIN-PER) but these Qantas Parisian flights are from/to Sydney so I'm not sure you can say it isn't 'taking the route seriously'. It's simply determined that there's more originating passengers likely from (or to) Sydney, with the Perth connection in SIN on the forward journey a bonus for you, but not uppermost in the airline's commercial thinking.

One solution might be to buy an 'open jaw' ticket travelling PER-CDG but on the return, catching the excellent Eurostar train from Paris to London's St Pancras International station and then the nonstop QF10 LHR "express" to PER. However this would cost extra given the horrendously high long distance UK Air Passenger Duty levied ex LHR, a situation not faced by long distance flights departing from France.

Ac second alternative is to ditch QFi in future (after your already booked flights) and use carriers such as CX, EK, EY, QR or SQ that offer convenient one stops via their hub to/from CDG.

I think the op is referring to QF33/34 which are normally (pre war) non-stops. Nothing to do with SYD

 

[serfty]

I see Rome flights are running direct and so are the return flights from London. It seems to me they are not treating the Paris flights seriously, could it mean they will drop this direct service out of Perth?

In doubt any of that is the issue. Yes, the airspace restrictions have forced wholesale changes.

Currently, the PER-LHR flights have a "fuel" stop in Singapore.

Given PER-FCO(Rome) is 900km shorter than CDG and can be accessed with a more southerly route, there was more flexibility to continue to fly non stop.

 

[Quickstatus]

I’m certainly feeling like I’m getting a third rate trip for a premium price.

Welcome to AFF

Yes it is QF modus operandi to charge you the premium price and then put you into non premium aircraft.

The PER-CDG non stop has actually been suspended.
QF33/34 with the 787 now departs from SYD with one stop in SIN and has increased the frequency from 3/week to 5/week and carrying up to 60 more passengers per flight
So they are treating the CDG destination seriously - increasing frequency and number of carried passengers per flight.
They have only removed PER as the origin.

PER-ROM now daily instead of 4/week

PER-SIN instead of daily (7/week) is now 10x week - they say to increase connections to Eu bound flights and vv.

PER-LHR is now PER-SIN-LHR on different aircraft and not called QF9. LHR-PER remains non stop. as QF10
The 787 QF9 flight number is suspended - instead, the 787 operates QF219 out of SIN-LHR but which is the same aircraft that operates QF255 out of Sydney.