International Upgrades - the pecking order

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Almost all of the people you will encounter here are merchant bankers. It is open to a few - crass stupidity that is - but not to many in real life.

Can you be a real Platinum or Platinum One and contribute to this forum? Why on earth would you bother? Unless of course you're a
narcissist aka merchant banker, aka Platinum or Platinum One?

Some of the contributors have ten or twenty or thirty thousand posts; unbelievable but why? What on earth do they do the rest of the day? Do they never sleep?

C'est la vie, say the old folks, it goes to show ...
 
A couple of other factors I've found sometimes appeared to work to my benefit in addition to status and fare paid. OP didn't mention what flights booked SYD-LAX-JFK and the post suggested more than one in the party.

If travelling solo my chances of an upgrade seem much better than if travelling with an other. That would make sense for getting the last seat. Also, seeking to upgrade on a aingle flight sector has yielded me better results than a flight with a stopover; e.g. QF 1, 2, never had any luck SYD-LHR, but (back in the days) managed SYD-DXB a couple of times.

Cheers skip
 
Husband in 2017 was in paid business for QF1 and put a request in for first.
I decided to gate crash his holiday (poor husband) and I was booked in premium request upgrade to business.
He received the phone call from the first host to organise his next day .
He commented that his wife was hoping to get an upgrade to business.
She went away for a couple of mins came back and said yes she has been upgraded. He went to first and I took his actual seat in business
So I think there must be some form of discretion
Husband and I are both platinium
 
FWIW, I get upgraded 75% of the time (or perhaps more) when I travel Qantas internationally (and request an upgrade - have only gotten an operational upgrade once). What counts in my favour? I travel alone, and I always have a PE ticket. I'm normally only Gold though. My flights are either to LAX or Dallas.
 
Staff travel needs to be included in the pecking order.


By that I presume you mean PS (Positive Space/Must Fly) travel? eg: deadheading crew or corporate officers with enough clout to have confirmed travel?

Most staff travel/pass travel etc is NRSA (Non Revenue Space Available) and basically standby. The theory is that these riders come AFTER all revenue pax requests have been met. The reality? Well who really knows? I am sure friendly gate agents have been known to "shuffle the deck" for a mate from time to time but I also know some airlines carefully audit such things quite heavily.

Also note the story the other day of United employees caught out selling their buddy passes to members of the public and 11 or so were fired just the other day.

At any rate, in theory, standby pax should come after revenue pax are sorted out, including upgrades. Of course many of us have also been in F cabins seemingly full of employees.....
 
Staff travel needs to be included in the pecking order.

Staff are at the very bottom of the rung for leisure travel, even on duty travel their on-load priority will be below commercial customers unless they are "must fly" - i.e. the cough is hitting the fan somewhere and they were needed 6 hours ago... or you are Mr Joyce and other board members.

A staff member won't be upgraded "over" you - even if they are up front while you are not, that just means your upgrade was never going to come through regardless, likely for commercial reasons. Same reason why you'll see sometimes business and first half empty on flights where your request also wasn't successful.

Staff travel is also a very automated process these days, quite hard for a friendly agent at the desk to put their finger on the scale so to speak and shoot you up... and even if they did, it wouldn't be worth losing your job over.
 
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The 7 days is only for P1 and family IF they are flying and on the same PNR thus the P1's upgrade priority covers the booking. If family member not flying with the P1 or on separate PNR, then it's per their status level "with P1 priority" (which is confusing)
Do we know how this works in real life? I suppose no one other than a QF insider could tell us.... but my question is this: If a P1 and 5 other bronze PAX are all in the same booking and request an upgrade, will all 6 of them be given priority over other solo P or G travelers? It would surprise me if this was the case but I would like to know.... but I suppose a single booking of 6 requesting an upgrade is probably not a common scenario?

For the rest of us non-P1 (just a humble P myself) the reason for my question...., I am flying JFK-LAX-MEL later in the year and traveling with a cousin who is G. When I asked the call centre about requesting upgrades, I was told that it didn't matter if we were on the same booking or not, as the upgrade allotment when by Status, so in order for us both to get an upgrade, it would need to assign all other CL, P1, P first, then to my cousin, and if he was successful we both would be upgraded, but only if at the time the upgrade request was "considered" 2 seats were available. If I was successful but he was not, neither of us would. But if the bookings were separated, I would get upgraded first, and him lower down the list, BUT, his request would still be considered right up until departure - which favors solo travelers.

So.... it appears that if we have separate PNRs, we actually have a better chance. #so_confused.

Can anyone shed any light? I know that there is a lot of conjecture and guessing, but does anyone actually know? Ironically, the cousin in question works for QF (contractor) in loyalty of all things! And even he can't get a straight answer.... it appears there is some automation when the loads are light but on more heavily booked flights the final allocation seems to be fine tuned by a human.
 
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Interestingly, I have a Classic Upgrade Reward request in place for Y-J on this Sunday's (Oct 6) QF23 and today received a Bid Now Upgrade offer for the same flight! I have not had that happen before...
Given that Classic Upgrade Rewards are processed first I can presumably just ignore the Bid Now Upgrade offer?
Has anyone else experienced this before?
EF showing: J9 C7 D6 I0 U0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X0 E9
 
Interestingly, I have a Classic Upgrade Reward request in place for Y-J on this Sunday's (Oct 6) QF23 and today received a Bid Now Upgrade offer for the same flight! I have not had that happen before...
Given that Classic Upgrade Rewards are processed first I can presumably just ignore the Bid Now Upgrade offer?
Has anyone else experienced this before?
EF showing: J9 C7 D6 I0 U0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X0 E9
A few years ago now, but I had similar for QF127, SYD-HKG.
I didn't bid and my existing classic upgrade request was confirmed in the normal manner.
 
That's a pretty empty looking flight. I'd be relatively confident the classic award will come through.
 
Interestingly, I have a Classic Upgrade Reward request in place for Y-J on this Sunday's (Oct 6) QF23 and today received a Bid Now Upgrade offer for the same flight! I have not had that happen before...Has anyone else experienced this before?
Mrs Pineapple received the same for Y+ to J for QF97 in a couple of days (J9 C9 D9 I9) and for QF128 a week after (J7 C3 D0 I0). She had put in a classic upgrade for the 128 but not the 97. Looks like they were trying to fill the premium cabins on QF97. First bid now upgrade offer she’d ever seen

Cheers Skip
 
That's a pretty empty looking flight. I'd be relatively confident the classic award will come through.
And indeed it did, classic award UG cleared around T-30.
EF now showing 2 free seats with two hours to go until boarding so I think they caught a few in the ‘bid now upgrade’ net as well.
 
2 x NB 5/10 QF127 W > J cleared at T-26

Flight went out with at least 6 seats in J empty. I imagine the ongoing events in HKG are heavily affecting J loads..
 
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