Infants in premium cabins

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Kids on flights, period: should be well behaved, keep their screaming to a minimum (we do understand the whole can't equalise their ears thing, though) and don't run rampant. Most passengers are paying to be there, be it F, J or Y, and it's still a public place.

I have no issues with kids on flights, so long as the parents understand their children should behave.
 
I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.
 
I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.

Ah, so Y don't deserve to be able to sleep (albeit uncomfortably)?
 
I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.

You may not have meant to do all capitals, but it is generally regarded on blog sites as the equivalent of shouting.

Anyone who has had children knows that things can go wrong, either on a plane or when passing a "ride" outside a supermarket. I always think it is a measure of the parents how they handle difficult situations, and allowing young children to run rampant tells you all you need to know.

But suggesting that all children should only travel in Y is not the answer. No need to inflict even more discomfort on those pax.
 
I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.
All upper case is very hard to read. I've had that same experience in Y - it's irritating, but babies cry, sometimes they won't stop, and parents shouldn't be excluded from normal life because they have babies. Suggest you buy some better headphones.
 
I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.

Do as I say not as I do?

People shouting on Internet forums is just as irritating. I also hope you have your flame suit ready as well.

Whilst you have mentioned the screaming child, you haven't mentioned the reasons why the child was screaming (for all we know the child may have been unwell). I think your suggestion at the end of your post is fairly obnoxious.
 
I asked the same question last year before we took our daughter to a series of F flights. The F cabins are so well spaced that it is less likely for the toddler to carryon. The only times we have problem with ours was during take off and landing when she has to be strapped in and also during turbulence which is kind of scary for us :). Also I found (international) F passengers much nicer than J as a whole, where F passengers are likely to be the ones who has been there, done that, and understand whilst J passengers do comprise of a few of those who are buying a J ticket as their trip of a lifetime. The cabin crew are also more attentive to ensure we have everything we need to so that the toddler was well looked after. Like taking the toddler away from us to do a little round trip etc.

We are not one of those parents who reward bad behaviour but that packet of jelly beans, marshmellow, and that chuppa chups do magic to calm the little one down (of course until she gets a sugar overload soon after), but ours just doesn't sleep and she is quite happy with her ipad.

Also, if there is a screaming child on board, all you have to do is asked for some ear plugs if you can't find yours in the amenity set. To me, a screaming baby is not an issue with noise in the cabin as usually it last a lot longer to the parent trying to control the baby, then everyone else on board. What usually cheeses more more are flight attendants chit chatting in the galley.

If you have the means, F is definitely the way to go traveling with baby and kids - they are much more calmer as they actually have their own space.
 
She is a good sleeper so I think I should aim at night flights outbound from MEL or SYD.
Did you get her her own seat Boris spatsky?

Took our 3 in J a couple of times with no problems.

I have experienced more noise from, previously described above, people laughing loudly as they've destroyed their hearing and have the volume way up on their headphones than noisy under 5s.

The most common cause for noise (after irresponsible parents) is Eustachian Tube problems.

The younger you are the more severe the pain. Imagine a hot knife being shoved into your head slightly behind one or both eye sockets. It would make anyone scream.

There is a simple solution to the problem which is caused from the change in air pressure. In the ancient past (a little pre-internet as my children define it) most airlines gave out boiled sweets to passengers. Chewing, swallowing etc will help equalise the pressure as the plane takes off or starts to lose altitude. The gradual decrease in altitude can catch a parent unawares vs the take-off. The pain is just as bad for babies and toddlers though. Many parents will put it down to their child being tired after the flight.

For a baby/very small toddler make sure you have a bottle (or BYO source) for it to suck on as soon as the plane starts to take off. For the loss of altitude - have a low flow teat so the bottle does not empty too soon.

For toddlers that can safely chew then have a ready supply of something suitable for them.

It is absolutely the worst if they have a cold/flu.

For toddlers more switched on (and others) get them to squeeze their nose tightly between thumb and finger. Then get them to try and blow air out of their nose as hard as they can GRADUALLY. Not like trying to blow up a balloon with their nose (good way to distract them on the ground) but gradually build up the pressure.

Try doing it yourself right now if you haven't heard about this before. You can feel the difference at ground level.

One other tip - you can always practice getting them used to the more cramped sleeping by putting some hard long object in the bed/bassinet in the lead up to the flight to simulate the seat, armrests etc. A large collapsed cardboard box folded up several times (and duct taped up) works very well.

Depending on the child's size was our deciding point on their own seat. If too big for bassinet on plane then buy the seat so both of you can sleep.
 
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I'm ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKES TO ENJOY BUSINESS CLASS AND HAVE HAD ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES WHEN A CHILD SCREAMED ON EMIRATES FROM SINGAPORE TO MELBOURNE AND KEPT THE WHOLE CABIN AWAKE (BAR ONE OR TWO). THINK OF OTHER PEOLE WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES TO ENJOY THE LUXURY AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT A BABY NEEDING BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS. SOMETIMES HAVING CHILDREN YOU HAVE TO REALISE THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. BETTER TO KEEP AWAY ECONOMY AND NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR QUIET AND PRIVACY.

I am sorry you haven't really made it. Business class is really just a pretend luxury.
 
I believe SQ take this matter seriously enough to restrict their F class to over 16 years old pax. Not sure if this only applies to suites. They also get you to sign a form if travelling in a suite (A-380) agreeing not to attempt to make babies. Possibly the sounds eminating from this activity could be more disturbing than the end product, if you get my drift. Personally I would not mind and take the approach of "I'll have what she's having". Lol
 
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Partly true. But two year olds are their own being and if they decide to throw a tanty, (which, when overtired is what they might do) then the usual methods of dealing with those are simply not available on a plane.

My mind immediately starts to wonder at:

"...then the usual methods of dealing with those are simply not available on a plane."

Hmm. What could those methods be...


  • Peg them to the Hills Hoist
  • Open the door and put them outside
  • Turn up the volume to drown them out
  • Dump them on your parents/neighbours

The best one I ever heard of (but it was never done, just dreamed of) was to have a velcro wall in their bedroom, put them in a bonds baby suit-like outfit and stick them to it. It just seemed so lateral!
 
I took our then 2 year old to Europe a few years back. I wanted to go J on points but she was a bad sleeper, so we booked Y in case she lost the plot - which she did.

Happy i was not in a Premium cabin. Dealing with a hysterically tired child was bad enough in Y, let alone with others in higher cabins judging you. Ultimately, a bigger seat with her would have made little difference.

If you are in J, she might not have lost the plot - don't let this experience deter you to take the seat in front. It is confined space kids hate. Whilst J can be problematic still as my then 15 months old basically walked around the whole J cabin to explore which can be rather dangerous. She was much better when she was 21 months old where she becomes more stranger alert. All she needs is her ipad :). Oh, make sure the small toys are not that small either... losing one of them during flight can become problematic :).
 
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She is a good sleeper so I think I should aim at night flights outbound from MEL or SYD.
Did you get her her own seat Boris spatsky?

Forget about the child's sleeping pattern :). It is not going to happen :). You are also dealing with timezone differences. Just assume you are not getting any sleep :D.
 
IMO its a bit selfish on the part of the parents to take babies and toddies on long haul flights. Its also a bit naieve to expect kids to sit still and be quiet . Just look at the behaviour of some adults.

That is just naive and clearly a comment from someone who does not understand why parents take such young children on long haul flights. I'm English, my wife is Australian, my parents live in England. We are taking our son to meet his grandparents. I'm sure there are many other reasons why infants are taken on long haul flights!
 
Partly true. But two year olds are their own being and if they decide to throw a tanty, (which, when overtired is what they might do) then the usual methods of dealing with those are simply not available on a plane.

I guess, it would be very difficult to have a "naughty corner", or if you a parent that believes you should leave them to cry it out. I think it is up to you to recognise the potential tantrum, and after all it is much easier because you can't run into your room to address it before it happens.
 
Thanks for the input from everyone.

She is well behaved so I dont think we will have a problem seeing I will make sure we have night flights. She is busy during the day but sleeps like an angel at night. Hopefully this will turn out to be a good trip for the 3 of us

After flying with my daughter on that many flights - she is QF Gold after all :) - I personally would avoid night flights for the medium sector.
 
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Normally, the only reason I fly first class is on business, because I'm flying to Australia to USA or Europe, getting of the plane, and going straight to work, then flying out the next day or two. I need to be well rested. I've seen kids in first class, but so far, it hasn't been a problem. If I did cop young kids playing up (not just through lack of discipline), I'd be annoyed, but would accept it as bad luck - they're just as entitled to buy the seat as I am. However, I certainly expect parents to do all they can to control kids at any time on a plane, and not let them run amuck.
 
Partly true. But two year olds are their own being and if they decide to throw a tanty, (which, when overtired is what they might do) then the usual methods of dealing with those are simply not available on a plane.
Yes, it's hard to find a fire hose on a plane.
 
This couple had two little monsters around 3 and 4 who ran around the plane for three hours the parents just ignored them.
The they played with ipads really anooying games with the volume loud as ,I could hear over my headphones.
The hostie told them twice.

Of course this thread is about infants. I'm not sure your experience with toddlers is all that relevant.
 
For toddlers more switched on (and others) get them to squeeze their nose tightly between thumb and finger. Then get them to try and blow air out of their nose as hard as they can GRADUALLY. Not like trying to blow up a balloon with their nose (good way to distract them on the ground) but gradually build up the pressure. Try doing it yourself right now if you haven't heard about this before. You can feel the difference at ground level.
This is called a Valsalva maneuver - Valsalva maneuver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - not only good for unblocking the ears, but also can also stop palpitations and put your heart back into a normal rhythm (my partner used to have artial fibrillation/atrial flutter - the cardiologist recommended this!) All round useful maneuver!
 
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