I don't want my kids sitting next to a man on a plane

[Fruitcake]

Why should the gender of the pax matter? What can the airline actually do with that information apart from enforce sexist policies?

Standard passenger weights differentiate between men, women and children.

 

[harvyk]

Standard passenger weights differentiate between men, women and children.

Then why don't they specifically ask for the gender of the pax? Rather than the more ellusive "Title", since Dr / Professor / Captain / Reverend / Honourable / Ambassador / Brigadier / Senator / Justice do nothing to indicate what the pax gender actually is.

 

[Fruitcake]

Then why don't they specifically ask for the gender of the pax?

VA's online checkin system specifically asks for gender.

 

[harvyk]

VA's online checkin system specifically asks for gender.

Qf booking certainly doesn't (unless you need to enter in APIS, which I think is a US gov't requirement). Don't remember with OLIC, but again pretty sure they don't. I'll take note of what it asks next Monday.

 

[SpudOz]

I saw that article earlier - have a look at the comments; Its not often you read such and agree with every one; I think every one of them as at 11am this morning were derisive of the article.

I agree. I was heartened to read so many responses bagging Tracey Spicer.

 

[Moody]

I saw that article earlier - have a look at the comments; Its not often you read such and agree with every one; I think every one of them as at 11am this morning were derisive of the article.

I agree. I was heartened to read so many responses bagging Tracey Spicer.

Not all of them .....

As a female who was sexually assaulted 3 times between the ages of 11 and 18, (by different predators - a group of older sons of family friends, an older boy from school and worst of all a teacher). I say the safety of children is more important than individual men's egos! Not all men are predators, but most predators are men. We all know this. It is common sense, historically documented and statistically unarguable. It is common sense not to sit unaccompanied children next to men, as they are less likely to be abused opportunistically. The reason those males were able to assault me was OPPORTUNITY. It is common sense not to provide the opportunity. If those men commenting are bothered by the alarming rate of sexual abuse of children by men and feel uncomfortable about being a man (because they don't want to be seen as a potential predator) please invite discussion on how to stop predatory behavior by men instead of asking people to pretend it isn't happening! There are predators out there who prey on weak and vulnerable women and children and they are overwhelmingly men - this is the big issue. To all those wonderful men who are brave enough to stand beside women and ask how to stop the abuse of women and children - you give me faith in people. Thank you. To all those people who demand society pretend that male predatory behaviour is not a thing, and worse argue to enable OPPORTUNITIES for abuse open, what is wrong with you?


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[marki]

Not all of them .....

As a female who was sexually assaulted 3 times between the ages of 11 and 18, (by different predators - a group of older sons of family friends, an older boy from school and worst of all a teacher). I say the safety of children is more important than individual men's egos! Not all men are predators, but most predators are men. We all know this. It is common sense, historically documented and statistically unarguable. It is common sense not to sit unaccompanied children next to men, as they are less likely to be abused opportunistically. The reason those males were able to assault me was OPPORTUNITY. It is common sense not to provide the opportunity. If those men commenting are bothered by the alarming rate of sexual abuse of children by men and feel uncomfortable about being a man (because they don't want to be seen as a potential predator) please invite discussion on how to stop predatory behavior by men instead of asking people to pretend it isn't happening! There are predators out there who prey on weak and vulnerable women and children and they are overwhelmingly men - this is the big issue. To all those wonderful men who are brave enough to stand beside women and ask how to stop the abuse of women and children - you give me faith in people. Thank you. To all those people who demand society pretend that male predatory behaviour is not a thing, and worse argue to enable OPPORTUNITIES for abuse open, what is wrong with you?


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This is not an easy issue to tackle on such a forum. But it does need addressing fast. Such men should be hanged .... and not by the neck.


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[JohnPhelan]

please pray tell... if they're 'not always' obvious, that implies they are obvious most of the time. if that's the case... what do they look like?

Dennis Ferguson!

 

[Pushka]

I think the men here reasonably come from the position that they could not in any sense countenance any harm to a child. And that the policy rather suggests they might be, just by being male. I don't believe it an ego driven issue at all but that such policies are an affront to their personal values.

 

[JohnPhelan]

There is also a royal commission going on that reinforces the argument that all men are not paedophiles ... but there are exceptions.

One of the forthcoming case studies at the Royal Commission will be dealing with abuse perpetrated by females.

 

[burmans]

This is not an easy issue to tackle on such a forum. But it does need addressing fast. Such men should be hanged .... and not by the neck.

One of the primary tenets of any effective legal system is that it should effectively punish the guilty and protect the innocent. It's at least partially because our system has been somewhat ineffective at dealing with the guily in this area, that the rest of us males have been drawn in so I at least partially agree with the sentiment here, if we get better at identifying and acting on those who do abuse women we lessen the chance that non-offenders get tarred with the same brush.

 

[burmans]

please pray tell... if they're 'not always' obvious, that implies they are obvious most of the time. if that's the case... what do they look like?

Couldn't let this one go,

By definition "always" by most peoples definition (including the dictionary) means without fail, without exception, i.e. 100% of the time.

"Not always" is the negative of always, this is not "most of the time", i.e. >50%, it is anything that is not 100%, i.e. covers the full range of 0% to 99.9%. I made no statement as to where on that spectrum I think this lies. Do I think "some" are obvious, actually yes.