Hostages Taken in Martin Place

[Hvr]

Apparently they rang the radio station, the Police Commissioner took over and confirmed it had come from "within". Just one gunman.

I remember the Mike Munro incident - disgusting stuff.

Absolutely disgusting behaviour by 2GB. They have interfered with an ongoing police operation and potentially endangered lives. All involved at 2GB should be immediately suspended until a full review has been undertaken and if true then should be summarily dismissed.

 

[Pushka]

Absolutely disgusting behaviour by 2GB. They have interfered with an ongoing police operation and potentially endangered lives. All involved at 2GB should be immediately suspended until a full review has been undertaken and if true then should be summarily dismissed.

I think the person inside rang the radio station. Who really knows what is happening. Just hope it works out well for everyone. Unfortunately a whole lot of Muslim people are going to be targetted for hate now.

 

[knasty]

I'm still looking down at the cafe. This part of Martin Place has been devoid of movement for hours now.

 

[Hvr]

I think the person inside rang the radio station. Who really knows what is happening. Just hope it works out well for everyone. Unfortunately a whole lot of Muslim people are going to be targetted for hate now.

Slightly different response then but it shouldn't have been broadcast without police approval.

 

[moa999]

It wasn't broadcast.
They just noted that they had received a call, gave some description of what was going on, but did not broadcast it

 

[JohnK]

So this filth is now in our own backyard?

And we are now trying to find isolated hostage incidents in Australia that were not linked to religion to prove this incident is not linked to religion. Congratulations. That type of thinking will ensure further incidents like this don't occur?

And you are right. This country will never be the same. I am scared. This needs to stop now.

Let's hope this ends peacefully but somehow I don't think....

 

[Pushka]

It wasn't broadcast.
They just noted that they had received a call, gave some description of what was going on, but did not broadcast it

From a hostage it seems. They could hear the offender in the background.

So this filth is now in our own backyard?

And we are now trying to find isolated hostage incidents in Australia that were not linked to religion to prove this incident is not linked to religion. Congratulations. That will ensure further incidents don't occur.

Let's hope this ends peacefully but somehow I don't think....

That's the thing. Every religion has its fanatics. This era it is Muslims. A few years ago it was the <redacted Catholics> Orthodox cleansing the Muslims in Yugoslavia. Before that it was Protestants versus Catholics in Ireland. In the Crusades it was Christians versus Muslims. And in the middle are just people of every faith and no faith just trying to eke out a living.

 

[dajop]

People have short memories, but the instantaneous news cycle now sharpens the concern around these things.

We have mercifully been free of this sort of thing for a while. But the sky is not falling in - remember Hilton bombings, Queen St, Hoddle St., Milperra, Port Arthur, which as a nation we survived. When I was at high school in regional Victoria we were evacuated for 2 days from high school whilst a siege involving home made explosives took place in an adjacent prison.

Not saying this is not bad, but it is not the loss of our innocence.

 

[whatmeworry]

From a hostage it seems. They could hear the offender in the background.


That's the thing. Every religion has its fanatics. This era it is Muslims. A few years ago it was the Catholics cleansing the Muslims in Yugoslavia. Before that it was Protestants versus Catholics in Ireland. In the Crusades it was Christians versus Muslims. And in the middle are just people of every faith and no faith just trying to eke out a living.

Do you even know your recent history or are you a brainwashed Serbian sympathiser?

The massacre against the Muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina was perpetrated by Orthodox Serbs (with allegations of Greek involvement).
Bosnian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If it wasn't for Croatian Catholic's many more Muslims would have been massacred.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Absolutely disgusting behaviour by 2GB. They have interfered with an ongoing police operation and potentially endangered lives. All involved at 2GB should be immediately suspended until a full review has been undertaken and if true then should be summarily dismissed.

What a stupid statement. The hostage rang 2GB, at the gunman's instruction. Are you suggesting 2GB should have hung up?

The gunman wanted the call to be broadcast. 2GB refused.

2GB immediately rang the Police Commissioner to get instructions. All quite responsible.

 

[JohnPhelan]

And you are right. This country will never be the same. I am scared.

John, you must not allow yourself to be scared. If you are scared, the scum have achieved their aim.

Don't allow them that satisfaction.

 

[Pushka]

Do you even know your recent history or are you a brainwashed Serbian sympathiser?

The massacre against the Muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina was perpetrated by Orthodox Serbs (with allegations of Greek involvement).
Bosnian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If it wasn't for Croatian Catholic's many more Muslims would have been massacred.

Which really means there are good and bad in every religious group, which is exactly my point. And I shall retract Catholic and insert Orthodox.

And your "brainwashed Serbian sympathiser" comment says something about you, not me.

 

[medhead]

So this filth is now in our own backyard?

And we are now trying to find isolated hostage incidents in Australia that were not linked to religion to prove this incident is not linked to religion. Congratulations. That type of thinking will ensure further incidents like this don't occur?

And you are right. This country will never be the same. I am scared. This needs to stop now.

Let's hope this ends peacefully but somehow I don't think....

John. You've missed the point. The comment was made that we've lost our innocence because of this one event. Pointing out that there have been a number of similar and much bigger events already is entirely about the suggestion of innocence lost. It has nothing to do with proving anything about religion.

20 or 30 bikies having a running gun battle at milperra is a much greater loss of innocence. How about one person smashing in the head of another with a metal pole at Sydney airport - innocence lost?

This hostage situation is no more nor less dramatic that anything that has already happened in Australia. I'm certainly more scared of bikies and organised crime than I am of random nut jobs.

As for religion - we don't even know yet if this has anything to do with religion. The police have not confirmed a religious angle.

 

[Denali]

So this filth is now in our own backyard?
And we are now trying to find isolated hostage incidents in Australia that were not linked to religion to prove this incident is not linked to religion. Congratulations. That type of thinking will ensure further incidents like this don't occur?
And you are right. This country will never be the same. I am scared. This needs to stop now.
Let's hope this ends peacefully but somehow I don't think....

I think its safe to say that people with such extreme values and/or attitudes have been around for a while. I simply don't understand the need to be so disenfranchised from society's norms to behave this way.

I don't think we should be afraid to live our lives and should go about our business but as we should consider better situational awareness. The other day I saw a tourist walk up to a known landmark, leave his carry bag and wander around for about 40mins. Not one person checked out the bag or raised alarm, including me but I saw/watched the person as I was waiting and he clearly was a foreign tourist but others didn't know that.

 

[JohnK]

Which really means there are good and bad in every religious group, which is exactly my point. And I shall retract Catholic and insert Orthodox.

If we tarnish another religion it will make this incident easier to accept?

Don't simply write this off as an act of a radical. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

[Pushka]

If we tarnish another religion it will make this incident easier to accept?

Don't simply write this off as an act of a radical. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

JohnK, that kind of thinking is how we develop hatred in the community which leads to the alienation of people which can lead to people doing crazy things.

 

[UP4014]

JohnK, that kind of thinking is how we develop hatred in the community which leads to the alienation of people which can lead to people doing crazy things.

Too late. Taking hostages is more than just crazy. I fear the end could be bad for someone, you can't reason with a terrorist.

Matt

 

[drron]

John. You've missed the point. The comment was made that we've lost our innocence because of this one event. Pointing out that there have been a number of similar and much bigger events already is entirely about the suggestion of innocence lost. It has nothing to do with proving anything about religion.

20 or 30 bikies having a running gun battle at milperra is a much greater loss of innocence. How about one person smashing in the head of another with a metal pole at Sydney airport - innocence lost?

This hostage situation is no more nor less dramatic that anything that has already happened in Australia. I'm certainly more scared of bikies and organised crime than I am of random nut jobs.

As for religion - we don't even know yet if this has anything to do with religion. The police have not confirmed a religious angle.

Though Al Jazeera here in BKK show close ups of the black flag and translate the writing as-There is only One God.

 

[medhead]

JohnK, that kind of thinking is how we develop hatred in the community which leads to the alienation of people which can lead to people doing crazy things.

I had to stop myself from dignifying that post with a response. I'm trying to think of an equally stupid way to falsely characterise all Greeks. But I'm afraid the point would be lost.

 

[medhead]

Though Al Jazeera here in BKK show close ups of the black flag and translate the writing as-There is only One God.

Funny. I say that every time I go to church.

Also being report on smh that it is not the flag of a particular group in Iraq that is often mentioned in news stories.