Heads up about program changes

[Sequel]

Except that this WP used to earn over 1700 points between MEL and BNE.

So on a red e deal I used to get 1,700 points, but now on a flex I only get 1,400, and I assume even less again on a cheap ticket?

 

[medhead]

So on a red e deal I used to get 1,700 points, but now on a flex I only get 1,400, and I assume even less again on a cheap ticket?

I've run the new calculator and it's saying 1400 for discount Y, 2200 for Y and Flexi Y at Platinum level. However, that has to be wrong because according to this table Frequent Flyer - Program - New Qantas and Jetstar Earning Table Disc Y and Y earn the same. And according to this table there is no Economy category on Qantas domestic. Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

 

[dajop]

I've run the new calculator and it's saying 1400 for discount Y, 2200 for Y and Flexi Y at Platinum level. However, that has to be wrong because according to this table Frequent Flyer - Program - New Qantas and Jetstar Earning Table Disc Y and Y earn the same. And according to this table there is no Economy category on Qantas domestic. Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

The calculator seems correct. Red e-deals earn at the "discount economy" rate, no fares earn at the "economy" rate (which are the same as discount Y anyway), and everything else (Flexi-Saver and Fully Flexible) earn at the "flexible economy" rate - so for WP, MEL-BNE, will be 1100 x 2 = 2200 points.

 

[MarcB]

I've run the new calculator and it's saying 1400 for discount Y, 2200 for Y and Flexi Y at Platinum level. However, that has to be wrong because according to this table Frequent Flyer - Program - New Qantas and Jetstar Earning Table Disc Y and Y earn the same. And according to this table there is no Economy category on Qantas domestic. Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

Points calculator is allowing calculation on non-existent fare categories but is returning correct results I think...table indicates base 700 for Disc T and base 1100 for Flex Y. These are doubled for WP so 1400 for disc Y or 2200 for Flex Y - min points gtee does not apply in this case.

 

[Happy Trails]

KTA-PER, which is a shorter distance, is now paying 2200 for a WP in flex Y.
Used to be 1554.

 

[medhead]

The calculator seems correct. Red e-deals earn at the "discount economy" rate, no fares earn at the "economy" rate (which are the same as discount Y anyway), and everything else (Flexi-Saver and Fully Flexible) earn at the "flexible economy" rate - so for WP, MEL-BNE, will be 1100 x 2 = 2200 points.

Points calculator is allowing calculation on non-existent fare categories but is returning correct results I think...table indicates base 700 for Disc T and base 1100 for Flex Y. These are doubled for WP so 1400 for disc Y or 2200 for Flex Y - min points gtee does not apply in this case.

If we ignore the lack of a domestic economy category. The calculator does not agree with the first table I linked, which says the base for economy is 700. The calculator is returning a base on 1100 for economy. That doesn't agree with the published table that was part of the 3 month notification. Either the table or the calculator is incorrect, but it seems to me the calculator is incorrect.

 

[roncritch]

But KTA-PER in Economy is now 1400 but when I add the 240 I get from Aquire...still in front! Glad my base is not Adelaide

 

[dajop]

If we ignore the lack of a domestic economy category. The calculator does not agree with the first table I linked, which says the base for economy is 700. The calculator is returning a base on 1100 for economy. That doesn't agree with the published table that was part of the 3 month notification. Either the table or the calculator is incorrect, but it seems to me the calculator is incorrect.

The calculator does seems incorrect, but as there is no "economy" category domestically, so when someone puts in "discount economy" they get the correct answer, when they put in "flexible economy" they get the correct answer. So probably not such an issue for domestic itineraries. However for domestic sectors in international fares where do they fit? (eg if you were on a MEL-BNE-SIN economy saver fare).

 

[anat0l]

However for domestic sectors in international fares where do they fit? (eg if you were on a MEL-BNE-SIN economy saver fare).

Same as before - the domestic sector will have a certain bucket which is mapped using the QF domestic mapping to either Discount or Flexible Economy.

 

[Mr_Orange]

However for domestic sectors in international fares where do they fit? (eg if you were on a MEL-BNE-SIN economy saver fare).

The fare bucket of the domestic leg would determine whether it is Flex Y or Y-.

 

[dajop]

The fare bucket of the domestic leg would determine whether it is Flex Y or Y-.

Ok, so the section of the earn table for domestic sectors under the "Economy" column is indeed redundant!

 

[medhead]

The issue is not so much the actual earning but how people can inform themselves of the earning. That is after all the purpose of the calculator, surely, to inform people in a user friendly way. I don't see a problem so much with having a redundant "economy" category, but I'd hope the answers at least agreed.

 

[mannej]

Same as before - the domestic sector will have a certain bucket which is mapped using the QF domestic mapping to either Discount or Flexible Economy.

The annoying thing is that for the purpose of upgrades, when you book the fare it comes up it is Economy for the purpose of upgrades, yet it goes to charge you for the Discount Economy rate for the domestic leg.
Here is a screenshot of a Saver Fare for a PER-MEL-WLG fare post July 1. You would think that it would be able to say Disc. Y for the Domestic Leg, Economy for the Intl leg.

 

[EmilyHoward]

I think my choice has been basically reduced to either 1. go, or, 2. not go.

That is what I would call Obvious! LOL.

EH

 

[wandering_fred]

That is what I would call Obvious! LOL.

EH

Perhaps the question, not so much the answer...


Happy wandering (on the search of truth and answers)

Fred

 

[ketsuzei]

I think my choice has been basically reduced to either 1. go, or, 2. not go.

The Clash spent just over three minutes pondering that question to considerable popular acclaim.

 

[ChrisDPom]

KTA-PER, which is a shorter distance, is now paying 2200 for a WP in flex Y.
Used to be 1554.

Compensation to us WA based flyers who no longer have international Qantas flights available?

 

[medhead]

The Clash spent just over three minutes pondering that question to considerable popular acclaim.

The clear conclusion from that assessment is to go, as that will be trouble. Whereas if they stay it will be double.

 

[Happy Trails]

The clear conclusion from that assessment is to go, as that will be trouble. Whereas if they stay it will be double.

This conundrum was comprehensively debated in the letters section of Viz magazine some years ago, with the determination that, as punk rockers, The Clash would have relished the extra trouble and so stayed.

 

[medhead]

So the real the question is not 1. go or 2. not go, but 1. trouble or 2. double trouble.

The helpfulness of AFF is outstanding.