Heads up about program changes

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JohnK - I sympathize. One of these days I will need to check on international award availability exPER...

I wonder what I will find on PER-KUL or PER-CMB?

Happy wandering

Fred
 
I guess the general public doesn't know Qantas are cough for rewards!


Well all I can say is that they are learning I for my part have been educating my friends and colleagues about the devaluation of QFF and the cough QF is doing and many have now opted to shift airlines.

Whilst QF may not care about loyal FFers and rather chase the mum and dad once a year flyer for the perceived higher yield and less cost to service in terms of lounges etc. They forget that the majority of Loyal customers that they have and are currently peeing off, hol a certain level of influence with in their circle of family and colleagues. I would hazard a guess that a good number of these Loyal FFers are now revising what they recommend with a push to BFOD based on price, convenience and connections. I would further suggest that in many cases this may NOT be QF. As one of the affected customers I have certainly been doing this and have helped book many people on other airlines and alliances.

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The uncertainty around the program changes mean that going forward I will solely book on a BFOD policy, especially as Etihad has given me gold status until March 2016 which means I get lounge access on Virgin domestically....

Seriously how bloody hard is it to release a partner points table?!?!?

Wouldn't a simpler and fairer (accounting for supposed need to reduce liabilities) program be as follows instead?
- Maintain ten flight zones, masking discount economy 0.75x full economy point earn across the board.
- Reduce partner SC across the board to say 75% of QF flight numbers?
- because QF do not fly anywhere allow frequent flyers to use points to upgrade on key partner airlines (EK and AA) - after all, other airlines seem able to do it easily, why can't QF.

Why can't QF get anything right? Oh wait, because it's QF....
 
Sounds about right to me.

I am really struggling to find uses for my QFF points.

I can get business award BNE-TPE on CX but then a paid TPE-BKK in business has tripled since the last time I looked at these airfares.

I then check BNE-HKG but there is no CX availability. :shock: Only QF availability via MEL and the MEL-HKG leg in economy and vice versa. Hmmm.

So I try BNE-BKK and I get 5 flight options each way and 4 of them have a JQ flight :shock: and the final option is QF23/QF24 with no business availability.

All this for February next year. I was trying something else the other day and that is a no goer. I am beaten and I haven't really tried yet.

Nothing new here. FWIW, for CX wait until 1-3 weeks out and you'll find plenty of seats in J. For QF it's 300+ days or don't bother.
 
One of my recent flights (QF2, F) was credited in error to QF despite the AA FF on my BP.

I sat on it for a few weeks thinking maybe, just maybe I would let it stay there (QFF SCs...).

Well, I just emailed AA the BP requesting correct AA crediting which will see the deletion of the QF points /SCs awarded in error.

Don't want and don't care anymore!
 
I guess the general public doesn't know Qantas are cough for rewards!
This is news to me.

Admittedly it has been a few years since I checked for awards but I had no issues back then.

What I fail to understand is how there is CX availability in business for BNE-HKG and then through to TPE but no direct availability BNE-HKG. Is this a CX restriction or a QF restriction.

And cluttering up the award options with JQ flights is a joke.
 
This is news to me.

Admittedly it has been a few years since I checked for awards but I had no issues back then.

What I fail to understand is how there is CX availability in business for BNE-HKG and then through to TPE but no direct availability BNE-HKG. Is this a CX restriction or a QF restriction.

And cluttering up the award options with JQ flights is a joke.

this will be a CX restriction - commonly known as married segments. You can get availability on both, but not individual segments.

QF does it frequently with London flights... you can get First class all the way frmo London to MEL-SYD, but can't join the flight to/from DXB only.

There are lots of reasons for married segments - but basically an airline wants you to pay full fare to a desyination rather than getting an award... but they're happy for you to fly onwards because of demand factors.
 
Well all I can say is that they are learning I for my part have been educating my friends and colleagues about the devaluation of QFF and the cough QF is doing and many have now opted to shift airlines.

Whilst QF may not care about loyal FFers and rather chase the mum and dad once a year flyer for the perceived higher yield and less cost to service in terms of lounges etc. They forget that the majority of Loyal customers that they have and are currently peeing off, hol a certain level of influence with in their circle of family and colleagues. I would hazard a guess that a good number of these Loyal FFers are now revising what they recommend with a push to BFOD based on price, convenience and connections. I would further suggest that in many cases this may NOT be QF. As one of the affected customers I have certainly been doing this and have helped book many people on other airlines and alliances.

QANTAS THE UNAUSTRALIAN AIRLINE

The writing seems to have been on the wall for some time.

My simple question has always been this... when deciding attendance at loyalty lunches, why the need for 'three questions you would like to know about [Qantas cash/simpler and fairer/etc]'? Surely the communications about each product should be prepared in advance in such a way that we, as consumers, don't need to ask three questions? Shouldn't the information already be there?

As potential influencers of travel, why is communication, at a strategic level, not always forthcoming to us? Good communication with stakeholders is partly about identifying strategic issues and resolving them.

The airline representative says they are not there to replace official Qantas channels. But tell me... which official channel do I call to ask whether my elderly parents will encounter an agent who knows how to though-check bags via SYD, or one that will tell them they need to collect their bags in SYD and struggle, with luggage, to the international terminal by train? A simple 'thanks for raising the issue, we have briefed all our check-in staff on through-check' was all that was needed.

And we know the airline representative can take action and liaise with other departments when they want. Accor Cousin is an example. So why not for other aspects?

Which official channel do I write to to ask whether my flight will be catered with sufficient food and beverage? Surely that's a strategic issue? And a consideration that will affect our ability, as the influencers of travel, on how we advise others.

I get a bit confused. Why is an airline telling me when I should know something important such as the removal of First class to Hong Kong? Why are they deciding when I can make alternative arrangements that suit my needs? Why are they telling me something is simpler and fairer? Why are they telling me I can't discuss the potential removal of safety equipment (apparently any discussion around the removal of life rafts is 'scaremongering'). Why are they telling me I have to accept the 93 reasons to fly, but can't question anything else?

They mooted public assistance at one stage, but addressing issues that will actually get passengers flying?
 
Nothing new here. FWIW, for CX wait until 1-3 weeks out and you'll find plenty of seats in J. For QF it's 300+ days or don't bother.
I need/want to have a confirmed booking now. Too risky to wait closer to travel unless I have a fall back option that I can cancel without penalty.
 
Hmmmmm!

England = England
Great Britain = England, Wales and Scotland (although possibly for not much longer)
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland = England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland


Not sure where Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of Man fit in.

Well having lived in England, most of us there believed Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were simply Counties of England. LOL.

EH
 
Certainly these changes show me that it is not sensible to make long term plans.In the words of Yogi Berra-"the future isn't what it used to be."
 
I need/want to have a confirmed booking now. Too risky to wait closer to travel unless I have a fall back option that I can cancel without penalty.

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Certainly these changes show me that it is not sensible to make long term plans.In the words of Yogi Berra-"the future isn't what it used to be."

These days, I generally only book a couple of months in advance, unless I know I need to be travelling on the specific dates. But looking ahead, I think I'll probably end this calendar year with zero QF flights. And as I recall my attitude 10-15 years ago... if it's not QF, I'm not going. How times have changed.
 
J or F Award bookings! Book the best part of 12 months out or book at the last minute...

Book now and change later? It would help if there was some availability now so I can book and change later.
 
OK.
So I have attempted to 'simplify' the Simpler-Fairer tables (at least for SCs).
Still not that simple - but better than the combined Qantas and Partner tables.

Have basically divided the table into the 'Special Cases' and then 'The Rest', re-adding in what I believe to be the mileage limits for the Qantas table, where the verbose descriptions don't make it clear. And called Partner Economy - Flex Economy to be consistent with the QF definition.

For some of the remainder QF definitions I have simply included them under the relevant mileage categories.
This results in some unders and overs (eg. Dubai-SE Asia/Nth Africa category is in the 2501-3500m category but some flights eg. DXB-CAI (1501m), DXB-CGK(4072m) are shorter and longer. Same would be the case for say BNE-HNL (4697m) if ever offered)

SimplerFairer.jpg


Throws up some interesting results.
MH PER-KUL earns more than JQ PER-SIN
A 250-750m JL-Dom F flight will earn more on JL code than QF
 
I have adopted a policy that no doubt many others are following of gradually running down my QF points. This time last year I had about 500k, now I am down to 326k. I rarely earn any now so in the end I will end up with no reason to be loyal to QF at all as I can't see that I will ever get to LTG. I don't always use points on best value (i.e. J and F awards) but have concluded with restricted availablity and the threat of further devaluations that it is better to use them rather than allow them to be further devalued. It is not as if QF pay interest on the points in your account (although that would be a wonderful improvement!).

As many others have said, I also used to fly QF where possible. However now I always look for the best deal and tend to be amazed if it turns out to be QF!
 
Thanks moa999, it is quite a lot easier to read.

I wondered about Europe-to-Europe, say an BA flight LHR-ATH. I am struggling with the QF terms as opposed to the straight mileage, as according to mileage monkey ATH-LHR is 1,509M, and might attract 80SC, or could be "downgraded" to under 1500 in the new fairer simpler world for 60SC, or classified Short International for 40SC. What do you reckon?
 
Thanks moa999, it is quite a lot easier to read.

I wondered about Europe-to-Europe, say an BA flight LHR-ATH. I am struggling with the QF terms as opposed to the straight mileage, as according to mileage monkey ATH-LHR is 1,509M, and might attract 80SC, or could be "downgraded" to under 1500 in the new fairer simpler world for 60SC, or classified Short International for 40SC. What do you reckon?

Doesn't it fit under any other flight as a partner airline? Short international being for Qantas earn.
 
The writing seems to have been on the wall for some time.

My simple question has always been this... when deciding attendance at loyalty lunches, why the need for 'three questions you would like to know about [Qantas cash/simpler and fairer/etc]'? Surely the communications about each product should be prepared in advance in such a way that we, as consumers, don't need to ask three questions? Shouldn't the information already be there?

As potential influencers of travel, why is communication, at a strategic level, not always forthcoming to us? Good communication with stakeholders is partly about identifying strategic issues and resolving them.

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Prior to the last Lesley Lunch, I asked for either a simplified (and vetted for accuracy) transcript of the Q&A to be posted by Red Roo sometime after the event and/or an audio file of the Q&A be posted here, so all AFFers could share in the info given out, not just the lucky few, selected by Qantas itself.

This was ignored by Red Roo and criticized by some of the Lunchers - IIRC one described it as an 'exclusive' event. A précis of the Qs and As was posted - by Sam004 I think? - but by his own admission it was necessarily quiet brief and hurried.

Hence my very great cynicism about these lunches - not so much about communication but opinion influencing, I believe.
 
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